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r81984 @ 3rd Jul 04:47PM:
How come very few read the article???

All the complaints are saying Obama is now like Bush.

What the article at the top of the page says is the government is going to spy on the government.
They are going to record all communications the goverment makes.
This is no different than any company recording all the communications their employees make.

Bush spied on all Americans with no reason to do so. Bush violated the constitution.

People need to stop twisting the facts and freaking out. Republicans please read the article before you claim he was like your great leader bush.
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Fisamo @ 3rd Jul 04:47PM:
Re: Vote for Change?

Don't count on it... :huh:

The only checking out that needs to happen is the letter after their name.

BTW, that goes for the vast majority of people on BOTH sides.
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gorehound @ 3rd Jul 04:49PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

if i ever won that powerball i would run for prsident.i really would and you what i am poor and an artist.tons of young folks would definately vote for a cool 53 year old original 1970's era punk rocker who still plays punk and has bright red hair.

and i would definately CHANGE things................

i did vote for NOBAMA as i could not vote for PALIN with McCain and wanted to let Deomocrats in as we had enough of the Republicans.

But in the end for me I do hate both of these parties and always seem to vote for the or what i think is the "lesser of the 2 evils".
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Noah Vail @ 3rd Jul 04:57PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

said by r81984 :

said by Noah Vail :

Now our government will own our great-grandchildren; body AND soul.

Thanks O'Bama Voters
for continuing the exact same legacy
that had you frothing with hate
only 12 months ago.

NV

If you read at the top of the page they are basically going to "spy" on anyone doing business with the government.
They have every right to do that just as any company can record the communications their employees make.

Now if you show me an article where he is going to spy on Americans for no reason like Bush did then I will be worried.

I guess the hundreds of posts in DSLR that establish just that weren't enough to convince you.
So here's one more that also won't convince you. That's because it's full of reminders of what you already know.

»Re: Meet the new boss

It isn't about what you learn, after all. It's about what's important to you.

NV
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I call it the Crapture.
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battleop @ 3rd Jul 04:57PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

Good to see that you comprehend what you read. This has NOTHING to do with spying on citizens. They are spying on their own network at it's borders.
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ross @ 3rd Jul 05:00PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

said by Chiyo :

Hmm change mister Obama was the slogan of your campaign so far I've seen little. I'm still happy I didn't vote for you sir Ron Paul 2012.

We'll see how many more slipperly slopes Obama takes the US down. Heck maybe soon we'll be at war with North Korea.

If that doddering old fuck McCain had been elected, I'm confident you could remove the uncertainty from your parting sentence...

This is the message I want to see acted upon;

Stop the wars, and bring our troops home! NOW!
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Noah Vail @ 3rd Jul 05:00PM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

said by r81984 :

All the complaints are saying Obama is now like Bush.

And Bush was condemned by Bush voters on this site, over and over again for this crap.

And that would be the difference between Bush Voters and OBots.

Bush voters voted for Bush to do something.
OBots voted for O'Bama to be something.

NV
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I call it the Crapture.
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tdouglas22 @ 3rd Jul 05:06PM:
WTH?!?

But it's the Government spying on itself to protect itself. Why is this a bad thing???
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r81984 @ 3rd Jul 05:07PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

said by Noah Vail :

said by r81984 :

You are off topic.
The claims you make in the previous post please cite your sources.
Either way this article is not about anything that would be viewed as bad.
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r81984 @ 3rd Jul 05:09PM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

said by Noah Vail :

said by r81984 :

All the complaints are saying Obama is now like Bush.

Bush was not bashed for this type of action of recording anyone doing business with the government.

Bush was bashed for authorizing the government to spy on any American for no reason at all. Two totally different things.
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DaveNJ @ 3rd Jul 05:22PM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

said by r81984 :

A
Bush spied on all Americans with no reason to do so. Bush violated the constitution.

People need to stop twisting the facts and freaking out. Republicans please read the article before you claim he was like your great leader bush.

There is a whole laundry list of un-Constitution the left does ? Why arent the Liberals complaining about that ? Power maybe ...
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Time @ 3rd Jul 05:37PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

said by r81984 :

said by N3OGH :

Meet the new boss ~~same~~ worse than the old boss...

Actually this is nothing like what Bush was doing.
Bush spied on every American for no reason except he could.
From what I just read at the top of the page Obama is basically monitoring all communications for government business. If you do not want to be spied on by the government then do not do business with them.

This is no different than a company recording all communications they have with their customers and contractors.

If the government wants to spy on themselves then who really cares, now if they want to do what Bush did and spy on any American for no reason then I will be worried.

No, he didn't "spy on every American".
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jimbo48 @ 3rd Jul 06:01PM:
Govt and Spying every day business as usual

To those of you who "think" our government isn't spying and compiling information on its citizens you are living in a dream world. THe IRS, for one, purchased more computing power than you could imagine and it isn't to process tax returns. So much more than was needed has been acquired.
I'm not particularly worried "yet" because I've been good and haven't tried to cause a lot of waves but top those who have skirted the edge between legal and illegal be assured that you can be monitored and no one will tell you. Even the so-called freedom of Information Act is worhless paper. The Feds will give you what they deem appropriate and not what you beleive you are entitled to. Thats life in the 21st century!
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FiOS LIVE @ 3rd Jul 06:02PM:
Re: AT&T?

said by dadkins :

Ya think? :huh:

I second that, just like my avatar and my sig!
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NetAdmin @ 3rd Jul 06:05PM:
The majority of hacking and data theft is perpetrated by?

The employees and contractors who have access to corporate and government networks are the greatest security threat to those networks. Seems to me that this type of measure makes sense.

A majority of the large companies out there employ this type of monitoring on their networks too. No one seemed too concerned about that.

The reality is that this is vastly different from the data mining that ATT was doing for the government on the public internet.
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r81984 @ 3rd Jul 06:07PM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

said by DaveNJ :

There is a whole laundry list of un-Constitution the left does ? Why arent the Liberals complaining about that ? Power maybe ...

Why don't you make a thread about it?
Also we were talking about Obama not democrats.
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r81984 @ 3rd Jul 06:09PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

said by Time :

said by r81984 :

said by N3OGH :

Meet the new boss ~~same~~ worse than the old boss...

No, he didn't "spy on every American".

I am not Canadian. I have been here for 1 month.
I am a conservative that voted for the most conservative candidate which in the last election was Obama.
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rcdailey @ 3rd Jul 06:16PM:
Re: The majority of hacking and data theft is perpetrated by?

The thing is that if you do data mining only on persons who connect to government websites, for example, that's every citizen who has a computer, you betcha. Citizens who don't have computers don't have to worry about their internet activity, since they don't have any.
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fatness @ 3rd Jul 06:22PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

said by Noah Vail :

edit:
Here, I'll go one more for you
and Condemn Conservative Christians
who wouldn't utter a peep
while their Conservative President
laid a vital stone in place,
to aid in the coming of The Beast.

We're finally going to get to see Bigfoot?
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Matt @ 3rd Jul 06:36PM:
Re: Meet the new boss

said by N3OGH :

Meet the new boss ~~same~~ worse than the old boss...

Did you miss the part about this being between private government contractors and government networks? With the rash of private contractors who have caused security breaches lately, this is a good thing. The federal government needs to protect their network.
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fatness @ 3rd Jul 06:40PM:
Re: The problem with this country...

said by R4M0N :

Is well represented here by a couple posts. Everyone always manages to find excuses for crap like this as long as it's their guy in charge.

It's been that way on this issue for years. That's how the political partisans on each side contribute to the government gathering more and more information on people --- by being silent or defending it when it's "their" side doing it. And frankly most of them don't give a shit about the surveillance, they care first and foremost about advancing "their" side.
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Shamayim @ 3rd Jul 06:41PM:
missed opportunity

What, no mention of protecting the children?
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Karl Bode @ 3rd Jul 06:52PM:
Re: The problem with this country...

Seriously. It's little more than pseudo-patriotism pong. It's certainly not helped by the cable networks. I think keeping people bickering certainly helps grease the rails for policy that's not in most human beings' best interest.
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rdmiller @ 3rd Jul 06:58PM:
I'm sorry

I apologize. I promise not to insult Karl again.
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Noah Vail @ 3rd Jul 08:09PM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

said by r81984 :

Bush was not bashed for this type of action of recording anyone doing business with the government.

So the O'Bama expansion of Bush's civilian surveillance network is acceptable to you, since the NSA is using it to monitor government contractors?

said by r81984 :

Bush was bashed for authorizing the government to spy on any American for no reason at all. Two totally different things.

Congratulations on precisely mimicking the media's carefully editorialized representation of the issue.

A more accurate evaluation would be that Bush was bashed for warrantlessly wiretapping a very limited number individuals, even though the FISA courts would hand out warrants like candy. A meaningless concern since the FISA courts were already cooperating as much as is possible.
However Bush was given a complete pass on empowering the NSA to tap the communications of Every Single American without any consideration of a warrant at all. This is a far more dangerous aspect of the surveillance bills that O'Bama supports to the best of his ability.

That's if you wanted to avoid dishonesty by omission.

NV
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Noah Vail @ 3rd Jul 08:13PM:
Re: The problem with this country...

said by fatness :

It's been that way on this issue for years. That's how the political partisans on each side contribute to the government gathering more and more information on people --- by being silent or defending it when it's "their" side doing it. And frankly most of them don't give a shit about the surveillance, they care first and foremost about advancing "their" side.

And therein the problem lies. You forget the third leg of the stool which is the Media that heavily profits from the spitting contests while perpetuating the ignorance that keeps it alive.

NV
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I call it the Crapture.
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badtrip @ 3rd Jul 08:29PM:
Re: Vote for Change?

said by dlewis23 :

I thought everyone who voted for him, voted for change.

Doesn't look like any change to me. Maybe next time people will actually check out the person before the vote for him.

Truth be told, many of us didn't vote FOR Obama, we voted AGAINST McCain/Palin.
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mcd @ 3rd Jul 08:38PM:
Re: Vote for Change?

said by badtrip :

said by dlewis23 :

I thought everyone who voted for him, voted for change.

Doesn't look like any change to me. Maybe next time people will actually check out the person before the vote for him.

Truth be told, many of us didn't vote FOR Obama, we voted AGAINST McCain/Palin.

Isn't that the truth.
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sonicmerlin @ 3rd Jul 09:45PM:
Re: Vote for Change?

I'm just going to post one person's expert reply over and over again.

This is a move to monitor Government agencies, NOT the public the way the previous boss dictator did.

The government has no inherent right to privacy in most circumstances. This is a move towards Gov transparency, and monitoring possible corruption with "contractors".
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mcd @ 3rd Jul 10:23PM:
Re: Vote for Change?

said by sonicmerlin :

I'm just going to post one person's expert reply over and over again.

This is a move to monitor Government agencies, NOT the public the way the previous boss dictator did.

The government has no inherent right to privacy in most circumstances. This is a move towards Gov transparency, and monitoring possible corruption with "contractors".

lol, believe that transparency act if you want. Nothing has changed. :D

»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ns···e_house/
»www.eff.org/press/mentions/2009/4/10-0
»www.eff.org/press/mentions/2009/2/16-1
»www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/ob···parency-
»www.newsweek.com/id/202875
»techpresident.com/blog-entry/oba···ls-short

There's more, but you should get the gist of it.
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slimpickinz @ 3rd Jul 10:40PM:
we know who this bastard will be spying on

the 3 percent-ers that's who...

Uh Huh...

Mirazh @ 3rd Jul 11:30PM:
We are ALL screwed!!!

IF Government really has to spy on Government, then you know our leadership is compromised already. IMO I am CERTAIN this is a merely a front and will ultimately be used against the people.

Remember, the PEOPLE are the GOVERNMENT.
You think it is going to stop with your job description, think again.

Come on people, wake up.

It is no longer enough to place fear on the public so now they are placing fears within their own bureaucratic infrastructure by building this center.

Personally I am quite sick of it all.
I honestly only feel worse seeing news like this.

And for the record the media is definitely in the pockets of the current administration. There ARE HUGE groups of people on alternative media networks like YOUTUBE that strongly appose the Climate Bill that is about ready too move toward a Senate vote. And where is THIS in the NEWS? And if it is in the NEWS how balanced are the arguments?

That Bill HR2454 is Huge, and day after day I check over 10 major news center sites and nothing, zero zip, no insight, no nothing. Maybe a few short clips that is it.

Just M. Jackson all damn day long and what OTHER countries governments are doing. There is a reason why the silence is so real. People are getting paid off, because some real heavy shiat is trying to be pushed forward.

This building announcement just proves it again, and this snooping WILL NOT STOP WITH THE GOVERNMENT, MARK MY WORDS.

Never have I seen such a group of people so in denial and naive! F*CK!

For what it's worth, Happy 4th
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fatness @ 3rd Jul 11:38PM:
Re: we know who this bastard will be spying on

I had to look it up.
»www.urbandictionary.com/define.p···=3638620
LOL
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Noah Vail @ 4th Jul 12:45AM:
Re: We are ALL screwed!!!

said by Mirazh :

There ARE HUGE groups of people on alternative media networks like YOUTUBE that strongly appose the Climate Bill that is about ready too move toward a Senate vote. And where is THIS in the NEWS? And if it is in the NEWS how balanced are the arguments?
Just M. Jackson all damn day long and what OTHER countries governments are doing.

It's the Fox News approach to infotainment. The other networks are using the Natalie Halloway template to formulate what information America needs to know.

The closest thing to a balanced news is NPR. They don't just rerun AP feeds and they allow all the interests in a news story to make their case.

ABC news seemed to be trying to de-bias themselves. But then we get this infomercial on O'Bama's health care plan and I don't know anymore.

But for the most part; media is our enemy. The sooner we realize that, the better chance we'll have a responsible press one day.

NV
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I call it the Crapture.
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dib22 @ 4th Jul 12:46AM:
Re: AT&T?

what in the world has happened to SBC...

they used to DEFEND their users from ILLEGAL WIRETAPS... why after they put the AT&T brand on SBC have they become such a pushover for the govt?
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tdouglas22 @ 4th Jul 12:48AM:
OMG!

I can't believe all the conspiracy theory and fear that goes on in this thread. It's ridiculous. No wonder this country is in the shits, the people are really not that bright.
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anon @ 4th Jul 02:01AM:
Re: We are ALL screwed!!!

The closest thing to a balanced news is NPR. They don't just rerun AP feeds and they allow all the interests in a news story to make their case.

Now THAT is funny. NPR...balanced news.

What a joke...
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jimbo48 @ 4th Jul 02:17AM:
Re: We are ALL screwed!!!

I hope we will not go quietly!
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KrK @ 4th Jul 02:18AM:
Monitoring the traffic between contractors and Government

....is NOT the same thing as spying on private individuals.

In fact, anything going on involving Government could stand some scrutiny anyway. I don't see why the same people who thought spying on civilains was OK "to catch terrorists" are now upset at this move.

If anything this seems more legitimate to me... Obviously AT&T doesn't want to get tagged for any abuses that occur--- such as they being privy to their competitors negotiations with the Government for contracts. I'd worry about that......
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KrK @ 4th Jul 02:21AM:
Everyone screaming about this...

... are just showing their political agenda and trying to score political points.

This is actually a good thing. Spying on private citizens isn't.
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Finger2208 @ 4th Jul 08:04AM:
Re: Vote for Change?

said by mcd :

said by badtrip :

said by dlewis23 :

I thought everyone who voted for him, voted for change.

Doesn't look like any change to me. Maybe next time people will actually check out the person before the vote for him.

Truth be told, many of us didn't vote FOR Obama, we voted AGAINST McCain/Palin.

Isn't that the truth.

And hindsight being 20-20 you made an extremely poor choice ;)
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anon @ 4th Jul 08:07AM:
you papers

next guys in long black coats say your papers please
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Noah Vail @ 4th Jul 08:46AM:
Re: We are ALL screwed!!!

said by sickofit :

Now THAT is funny. NPR...balanced news. What a joke...

Do you even LISTEN to NPR?

For years they were as nearly as far left as Pacifica. I stopped listening to them over a decade ago. Something had to have happened; I don't know what. I remember there was a threat to pull their funding around 2005 because of their leftist slant to the news.

About a year and a ½ ago, I tuned in because it was all the radio would get in and I almost dropped dead from shock. NPR was reporting on the primary runups and not overtly favoring the Democrats at every turn. I had to pull over and check my universe; I thought I had wandered through some sort of portal.

As if that weren't enough, NPR actually gathers news. They NYT and the BBC are excellent at finding meaningful stories. But by the time they're done filtering the story through their bias machine it's almost unrecognizable from the truth.

But they do bring the story to the table and I can't really say that about Fox. Fox will resupply the non-left side of an issue, after most of the media carefully edits it out. That's why they are universally hated by the left. However, Fox rarely digs up anything meaningful on their own.

At least with a BBC/NYT story, I can look up the details that were omitted during the crafting of the story; and get the complete issue. With NPR, I don't have to put in the effort. If a leftist has editorialized an issue with their comments, NPR will find someone from the right to offer a countering view. They weight both sides equally. I can't come up with a single broadcast or cable network who'll do that, reliably.

Lastly, NPR is interesting. I heard a 1 hour story on a web outfit that reverse-419's Nigerian scammers. They have the 419 guys running all over West Africa after wired money that isn't there. NPR had a reporter at the Web Site HQ and another in Nigeria following one clown from city to city until he was broke and stranded in some town not friendly to vagrants. What a great story.

I don't know if you listen to Rush without question (he has been brilliant but his beliefs are stale) or you're a leftist who can't bear that NPR went off the farm. Whichever it is, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

NV
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Shamayim @ 4th Jul 09:39AM:
Re: We are ALL screwed!!!

said by Mirazh :

Remember, the PEOPLE are the GOVERNMENT.

The people are the GOVERNED.

It's a common misperception.

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VansHSI @ 4th Jul 11:07AM:
Re: The problem with this country...

So so true - you hit the nail on the head on this one.

Just imagine if McCain was president and he did this. People would have been yelling from the rafters - "More of the same!!!"

People's partisan views and lack of ability to see through party lines prevent any real change from happening. "It's only wrong when the other party does it" mentality that citizens express everyday and yet don't notice it needs to stop.

But alas, it most likely never will.
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anon @ 4th Jul 08:41PM:
This is not the problem

All your internet traffic is sent through a NSA bot filter anyway, whats the big deal with this. You have no expectation of privacy whatsoever unless you have the right kind of encryption.
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vinnie97 @ 4th Jul 08:45PM:
Re: Vote for Change?

You have seriously been brainwashed if you believe what you're spouting about so-called transparency.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyjk58yT···embedded
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vinnie97 @ 4th Jul 08:52PM:
Re: OMG!

Or maybe you have blinders on.
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anon @ 4th Jul 10:08PM:
All of you idiots who didn't bother reading...

you guys are retarded, if you had even bothered to read, it specifically states...

to more closely inspect the traffic traveling between government networks and the private-sector

They are NOT monitoring the average joe shmoe, they are checking the packets destined for, or originating from, government networks or private firms with government-contracted projects. This is a GOOD thing.
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tdouglas22 @ 4th Jul 10:12PM:
Re: OMG!

said by vinnie97 :

Or maybe you have blinders on.

Nah, it all sounds like the same paranoid mess that many (including myself) were screaming when Bush was in office. I'm just glad I woke up.
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NyQuil Kid @ 4th Jul 10:33PM:
For those who voted for Obama

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....oh man that's funny - not surprising, but very very funny.

Way to go America. O(ne) B(ig) A(ss) M(istake) A(merica)

[8F] The NyQuil Kid
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KrK @ 5th Jul 03:28AM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

said by Noah Vail :

And Bush was condemned by Bush voters on this site, over and over again for this crap.

OMG. You're kidding, right. Condemned? You mean anyone criticizing it was condemned! Bush was defended till the bitter end.....
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KrK @ 5th Jul 03:30AM:
Re: For those who voted for Obama

Why?

Seems like a smart move. I do not see a downside to this.
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Wizeguy @ 5th Jul 08:07AM:
Snooping or Monitoring

The article said: "to more closely inspect the traffic traveling between government networks and the private-sector"

The Government has every right to protect its most sensitive information from being used by published. This is a dangerous world you don't know who is lurking in the shadows. Cyber threats can be as harmful as as any terrorist attack. Would you want our defense secrets hacked and given to the Taliban or Iran? This is the world we live in get used to it.
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satellite68 @ 5th Jul 10:46AM:
Re: Vote for Change?

Today is July 5, 2009. It has been less than six months since Obama was put into office.

I suppose for the armchair jockeys who incessantly complain about everything Obama, less than six months for "change" might be long enough. I, and a lot of others, am willing to be patient. After all, it took eight years to get us in the mess we're in, and I'm sure it will take more than six months to "clean up after the elephants".
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bigunk @ 5th Jul 11:20AM:
O'Bama?

O'Bama... He's Irish? Wow. Didn't know there was such a thing as a Black/White/Irish Muslim.
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La Luna @ 5th Jul 11:37AM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

said by r81984 :

All the complaints are saying Obama is now like Bush.

What the article at the top of the page says is the government is going to spy on the government.....

HAHAHA, and you believe that????

Come on where is the outrage, the sputtering, the condemning?? When the libs tried to claim (and obviously still do TRY) that Bush was "secretly spying" on citizens (EVERY citizen no less :uhh: ), the whining was out of control. Now that Obama claims he's only monitoring government entities, it's "oh, ok, sure, it's Obama, we believe him, carry on". Talk about being obviously hypocritical, not to mention looking plain silly in trying to defend this because it's OBAMA doing it.

This is almost too funny for words, watching the defenders try to explain this away.
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Murdoc @ 5th Jul 11:46AM:
Only gonna get bigger

So the government finally figured out government was the terrorists.
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r81984 @ 5th Jul 01:12PM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

Outrage for what?
Every company in American can legally spy on their employees why is the government any different.

If you conduct business with the government they have every right to log and records their own communications.

This article is about government spying on government not citizens. Bush spied on citizens for no reason. If you want to bitch about that start a new topic.

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anon @ 5th Jul 01:34PM:
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r81984 @ 5th Jul 02:13PM:
Re: How come very few read the article???

I'm a conservative, I just have grown to hate the anti-conservative republican party over the years.

No conservative would support the republican party or their anti-conservative cut taxes, spend more agenda.
The only thing we need to worry about in this country is our debt.
Also I am sorry to say this but Obama had way more conservative views than McCain.
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vinnie97 @ 5th Jul 04:59PM:
Re: Vote for Change?

It took a lot longer than 8 years, but keep believing that partisan nonsense, it will be our socialistic undoing. *kisses the country goodbye*
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Corona @ 5th Jul 08:53PM:
How's that

HOPE AND CHANGE working out for you all??

Idiots...
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NetAdmin @ 6th Jul 12:46AM:
Re: The majority of hacking and data theft is perpetrated by?

If you are connecting to government computers from your home, I would hope the government is watching what you are doing while you are connected to them. Just like every time you connect to a corporate website, they (or more aptly, we) are watching what you are doing.

Legally, when ever you connect to another person or company's computer, you have agreed to them monitoring your usage because, after all, it is their property and they have the right to monitor and protect it. Once you packets hit one of my systems, I am in my rights to inspect every packet.

In the case of government systems, the government can do the same thing.

Frankly, I'm just amazed at the conspiracy nuts who are posting on this story about how this is such an evil thing or posting how the government will soon have people walking around asking for your papers. Get real people.
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anon @ 6th Jul 11:43AM:
This has nothing to do with spying on people..

It has to do with situation awareness. As someone who worked on both versions 1 and 2, I know exactly what the program is about, and that is all I will say on the matter.

As for being on a gov network, you have no expectation of privacy, plain and simple. Every single time you log onto the network, you get a banner message that says everything you do will be monitored.

Same goes for people who use external gov sites, read the privacy agreement, it states that everything you do while interacting with a gov system is subject to monitoring.

What is so difficult to understand about that.

Also, I am not sure what ATT has to do with this, since the program from a technical aspect is somewhat voluntary as you place taps on your ISP side cable drops (could be anyone, not just ATT) and it must pass muster from the privacy offices of the respective agencies.

Seriously people.. take off your tinfoil hats..
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BIGMIKE @ 6th Jul 01:56PM:
Re: How's that

Government bans tin-foil beanies

Metal headwear not fair on mind-control spooks, say Feds

By Ray Cerveau, Mind Control Columnist

»www.weeklyworldinquisitor.com/ti···ban.html
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