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Jason Levine @ 17th Aug 02:12PM:
Dot Com Business Plan

I just love this business plan. Reminds me of the worst of the dot-com failed business plans. (Ignore the fact that what Juice is offering is technically impossible and that it's likely just an elaborate e-mail harvesting scam for the second.)

They give away broadband to users (using patented technobabble technology ;-) ) for life and so have no apparent source of income. They pay users if they see a 404 error, get spam, etc. (So, I guess their software will make »www.google.com/this/url/wont/work.html a working URL?) They also pay affiliates for each user signed up.

This would lead to a large set of expenses (assuming, of course, that they really do pay up -- a big assumption to make) with no income to support it. So how would they stay in business? (And why does "Underwear Gnomes" spring to mind?)

Of course, this is all rhetorical since the whole thing's obviously a scam. No business can have that bad a business plan and be real.
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flyingroach @ 17th Aug 02:26PM:
Re: Dot Com Business Plan

"How is this any different than Verizon selling someone DSL that never works, leading to several months of billing while you work with their dysfunctional tech support who finally concedes it won't work and you are left to fight a six month battle to get your money back. "

Must be the same folks that buy into this scam. If it sucks in the first month, cancel DSL. Try Cable/Sat or borrow wireless with a nice big cantenna.
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kenyg @ 17th Aug 02:28PM:
Juiceboosted

Hello,

I am Nigeran royalty, my family has been procusted in my home country. I expect you to believe me even though I cannot spell Nigerian or prosecuted.

I have 40 million dollars, but need a thousand of your hard earned dollars in order to access it. Once you send me your money, I will happily split my 40 million with you.

I also sell free internet access for life. Should you ever get a page not found error, a pop-up ad or virus I will pay you a bar of silver bullion. If you want the free interent, please add $40 to the above amount. Of course it is free, the $40 helps towards my silver fund.

For an additional fees, I also have V@1|um ; V|@Gra & xana:x available.
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aurgathor @ 17th Aug 02:31PM:
if it's too good to be true

As the old saying says: "there's a sucker born in every minute", but I think with the globalization of internet this should now be changed to "every second". One would think having access to all the information available on the net would make people smarter, but I think that may not necessarily be the case.

BTW, I have a friend who not long ago invested $5000 into some southeast asian MLM scheme through an old friend of her -- had she call me before the "investment" I could tell her in no time that awaits her (does a 1000% ROI [return on investment] smells like a red flag?!?), but she called me only after she could no longer log in onto her account, hoping that I could help with that.
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bob000001 @ 17th Aug 03:28PM:
This is the first I have ever heard of this.

Maybe the story is just as overblown as the scam?

Maybe the author is just trying to create a buzz for his investment?
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Phoenix__1 @ 17th Aug 03:34PM:
Re: if it's too good to be true

quote:
Wait - it gets better.


It sure does on Oct 1st, 2004!

I can see all the post now;

"What happen to Juice?"
"Where's my money?"
"I got a 404, I'm rich!"
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noahproblem @ 17th Aug 03:41PM:
Re: Juiceboosted

Throw in a gr8 mortga*ge r*a*t*e and some cheap MS $oftwarez and you've got yourself a deal.....;)
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antiphishing @ 17th Aug 03:43PM:
Somebody needs to contact Interpol

How much of this WHOIS information do you think is fake or being used to mislead people? Somebody in the London area needs to call the phone number. :-)

With a statement like " takes 1 minute to install" this seems like a scam to get people to download some type of trojan horse to turn more computers into zombies. Has anyone ever thought of that possibility. :p

domain: JUICEBOOSTED.COM
owner-address: onJUICE.com
owner-address: 27 Old Gloucester Street
owner-address: WC1N 3XX
owner-address: LONDON
owner-address: United Kingdom
owner-phone: +44.8707202094
owner-fax: +44.8707620458
owner-e-mail: 2d57454556b6983fbee100beb89b0200-826579@owner.gandi.net

person: Daniel Houghton
nic-hdl: DH540-GANDI
address: onJUICE.com
address: 27 Old Gloucester Street
address: WC1N 3XX
address: LONDON
address: United Kingdom
phone: +44.8707202094
fax: +44.8707620458
e-mail: 6112a63c39956a3a24fca4336f872456-dh540@contact.gandi.net
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Omega @ 17th Aug 03:43PM:
Idiots

On the "free bars of silver" site, he measures internet speed in megabytes per second.

Funny, I thought it was measure in megabits. Oh well.
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mishaq @ 17th Aug 03:44PM:
Re: This is the first I have ever heard of this.

You guys just wait until you re juice boosted, non believers! I mean, sure, its impossible for such a software to be this powerful, and it promises us great fortunes if we experience mishaps, but if you truly believe, you will see!

ehem.....
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cao1964 @ 17th Aug 03:46PM:
Re: Doing good?

If it did not happen to you then its not the same, just reading it is not enough, have you talked, chatted with the people that it happen, or was it just a blog on the Net?
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cao1964 @ 17th Aug 03:49PM:
Re: Juiceboosted

Does that come with or without the Broken, I mean Brooklyn Bridge?

If it does you have your self a deal, now I can charge all those people who gave me the finger when I use to cross the bridge, weeeeeeeeee.
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Karl Bode @ 17th Aug 03:51PM:
Re: This is the first I have ever heard of this.

Maybe!
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cao1964 @ 17th Aug 03:51PM:
Re: Somebody needs to contact Interpol

Well I would say all of it, but Interpol yeah sure they will do something, yeah sure.

But you just have to love it that something like this basic scam is so much alive and people are still believing it.

Oh yeah I like the silver part, weeeeeeeee!
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Doctor Four @ 17th Aug 03:55PM:
Scammers still haven't beaten BBR's Googlebomb

If you Google for the phrase "juice boosted" on Google,
the top two hits are still the Scambusters forum thread
and the first front page news item about the scam here
on BBR. And thanks to another site exposing the scam, the
first affiliate link in the main search (Juiceboosted owns
all three paid search hits on the first page) has been
pushed downward a few spots.
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Transmaster @ 17th Aug 03:57PM:
Re: Juiceboosted

said by kenyg:
Hello,

I am Nigeran royalty, my family has been procusted in my home country. I expect you to believe me even though I cannot spell Nigerian or prosecuted.

I have 40 million dollars, but need a thousand of your hard earned dollars in order to access it. Once you send me your money, I will happily split my 40 million with you.

I also sell free internet access for life. Should you ever get a page not found error, a pop-up ad or virus I will pay you a bar of silver bullion. If you want the free interent, please add $40 to the above amount. Of course it is free, the $40 helps towards my silver fund.

For an additional fees, I also have V@1|um ; V|@Gra & xana:x available.


:D:D:D You are thinking on the same wave length I am ;););)
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cao1964 @ 17th Aug 03:57PM:
Re: Idiots

Now its Megabytes, well even better so what does that equal to, so who need Fiber any more, we have juicy juice.
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antiphishing @ 17th Aug 04:03PM:
Re: Somebody needs to contact Interpol

____________________________________________________________
Well I would say all of it, but Interpol yeah sure they will do something, yeah sure.
____________________________________________________________

Then what would you suggest to stop these scammers? :-)
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cdrworm @ 17th Aug 04:07PM:
Suckers: They are born every minute....

Suckers: They are born every minute....

I can see this as a way to generate leads for:

1. People who are suckers
2. People who want to make money online
3. People who are tired of having a slow connection
4. ... theres plenty more.

From a business perspective I like it. There's lots of money to be made. Here's a few ways they can make a few bucks:

Making money by selling Leads: They can simply sell these leads to MLM lead companies and get around $10 each. The MLM companies will then use the leads in-house and profit first, then resell the leads about 10 times in various tiers, 1day, 7day, 15day, 30day 45.. you get the point and with full info or partial info. The quality of these leads are extremely good. Highly targeted, Dialup user targeted, Income opportunity targeted. People selling a product or service can make some good money off these prospects.

Making money by selling a service: Netzero has affiliate programs. Several DSL providers, like Earthlink, have affiliate programs. I use to pitch Direct TV DSL and make a hefty referral cut of $80 per subscription. Back then DTV offered at the time and it varies: 3 months for $29, no setup fee, no shipping fee, $49 thereafter, it was easy to giveaway.

Making money in MLM: Of course you can ask your new customer... "would you want to make money selling DSL?" (yes, no, who cares) If they what you've done, you can make money off your descendants. Not a bad compensation plan I must say but I would certainly only support MLMs with real products involved and is very competitive to existing services.

Making money of "Income Opportunity": Now this is really wrong! This is where we can go from a legit MLM to an illegal Pyramid Scheme. People paying people to make more money. No product, no service, just money involved. It's stupid, costly, and very unprofessional.

Now back to this news story... This method of advertising is very deceptive. Sure you will never get all the mentioned spam, error pages and all that stuff they will pay you for because it's vaporware!

It's got to be the most controversial method of viral advertising today. It only mentions that "it's free" so many times that they are simply pushing people to sign up just to get your costly information. Be ready to get LOTS of spam and even phone calls. (the DNC list doesn't work here as there is a 90 day waiver for leads) Their privacy policy,
»www.juiceboosted.com/privacy.php, states "Sometimes... we will give out your information to ...". It is questionable that your information is safe.

This is definitely a SCAM for harvesting information. Definitely steer away from it.

Dhonn


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antiphishing @ 17th Aug 04:12PM:
Re: Scammers still haven't beaten BBR's Googlebomb

________________________________________________________
If you Google for the phrase "juice boosted" on Google,
________________________________________________________

The below is what I get for the first second and third listing on Goggle when using "juice boosted".

broadband » News » Juice Boosted Scam - Pyramid Scam roars on News » Juice Boosted Scam - Pyramid Scam roars on, ...
www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/51529

PC Sympathy - Scam Alert: Juice Boost
... Scam Alert: Juice Boost. ... Posted on Monday, August 09 @ 06:02:01 PDT by manunkind. "Scam Alert: Juice Boost" |
www.pcsympathy.com/article622.html - 44k - Aug 16, 2004 -

Free Info on the Juice Boosted 'Free Broadband' spam
... email this posting to a friend.
Free Info on the Juice Boosted 'Free Broadband' spam. Reply to: see below Date: 2004-08-13, 1:04PM ...
newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/zip/39262328.html
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antiphishing @ 17th Aug 04:19PM:
Re: Suckers: They are born every minute....

cdrworm]
_______________________________________________________
I can see this as a way to generate leads for:
_______________________________________________________

4) People who are naive about the internet and the many scams that circulate within it's vast area.
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magicalpig9 @ 17th Aug 05:14PM:
Re: Suckers: They are born every minute....

Harvesting contact information for extremely gullible people could be profitable indeed!
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Rogue Wolf @ 17th Aug 05:17PM:
If EVER there was truth in writing....

At best the operation is a joke; at worst it's an MLM scam designed to harvest e-mail addresses and financial information from users temporarily lobotomized by the promise of a quick buck.

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Pz_ @ 17th Aug 05:35PM:
Re: Doing good?

You know, I was just thinking how cool that Banana was when I ran across you saying how cool it was.

:)
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copperdoctor @ 17th Aug 06:15PM:
Who here is gonna sign up?

C'MON...someone do this!! We need someone here to take one for the team, just so the rest of us can watch what happens up close on Oct. 1st! Oh, and..not me.:D
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xdeadhead @ 17th Aug 06:16PM:
Re: Doing good?

found this a few weeks ago. the dancing banana is in there somewhere »www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/matrix.php

sorry ot reply
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anon @ 17th Aug 07:01PM:
Re: Who here is gonna sign up?

Hell, I'm still waiting for my DSLMonster! :mad: :o :p

Just think of the speed I could have obtained using Juiceboosted on my DSLMonster! :uhh:
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IamZed @ 17th Aug 07:32PM:
This sounds familiar...



"I love these guys!”
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Neil @ 17th Aug 07:54PM:
Re: This sounds familiar...

The greatest Italian of them all! :)
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Nerdtalker @ 17th Aug 08:53PM:
Re: Crazy

They're a nuts, unethical, corrupt, crooked, dirty-dealing, dishonorable, disreputable, double-crossing, fake, fishy, flimflam, fly-by-night, gyp, hanky-panky, hole-and-corner, illegal, immoral, improper, low-down, mercenary, not kosher, put-on, scam, shady, sharp, slick, slippery, sneaky, two-faced, two-timing, underhand, unfair, unprincipled, unprofessional, unscrupulous, and wrong company.

Thankfully, BBR's own home-brewed Google-Bomb still turns up the Scam information we've accumulated on them.

Check it out: »www.google.com/search?q=Juice+Bo···oe=utf-8
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winterforge @ 17th Aug 08:57PM:
Hah

ROFL, their site says "Faster than ADSL and Broadband". Last time I checked, ADSL was broadband.
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anon @ 17th Aug 09:09PM:
why does noone believe.....

Without checking all the details i can handle most their claims except free dsl **

Load this program in less than a minute.

-change to 1 point type-
harvest address book
trash internet connection
Redirect all internet requests to a page just installed named theinternet.html

Presto! no spam, no 404, no porn and 100000K access to the internet

Download speeds? as long as the file is in the folder named 'the web' first no problem, can't of course guarentee outside of our 'network'

** This could be handled also although they would need their own installers ;)
Simply kill the user after the dsl install, disconnect dsl, take modem to next customer.... free dsl for life honored.....

You get the idea
Be glad i only read legal docs not write em ;)
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The Juice @ 17th Aug 10:08PM:
Juice

Now why did they have to go and ruin my good name.
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Doctor Four @ 17th Aug 11:14PM:
Re: Who here is gonna sign up?

said by baby_bear:


Just think of the speed I could have obtained using Juiceboosted on my DSLMonster! :uhh:


I think you should re-phrase that:

Just think of the speed I could have obtained using
Juiceboosted with my DSLMonster on my ultra 1337 PC
from www.go-l.com.

After all, the 3 scams (go-l might be legit, but
there's some stuff seemingly too good to be true
on their site) would go together perfectly. :)
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Beaker74 @ 18th Aug 10:46AM:
Oooh! A 404! I'm RICH!

Where's my money? The Cox guys website turned up 404. ;)
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bookwork657 @ 19th Aug 06:29AM:
Well I asked this in another forum but...

Ok, I checked out the parent company. »www.easylifemarketing.com
I had gotten an email about working at home and just having a start up cost of $29.95 ? So, I wrote him back and told him to let me know who the company was and I wanted Better Business Bureau back up. When he wrote back he told me the parent company name. I looked it up on the the BBB and they said it was a legit company. Only one bad report in 12 months and it was resolved. However, that is where I found the Juice Boosted. So, I went looking and found this website. (you) So, what I want to know: If a reputable company is founding this, why would they put their good name on the line for such a wild scam? I know, that you guys are the so called experts on broadband, so what about this? What's up with that? Please get back to me.
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bookwork657 @ 19th Aug 06:31AM:
Re: Well I asked this in another forum but...

Sorry, must have hit the wrong button. This has to do with Juice boosted.
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Owlbet @ 22nd Aug 06:51PM:
Caveat Emptor

Let the buyer beware....

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rstrandb @ 24th Aug 12:27PM:
If it...............

walks like a duck and talks like a duck........it's a duck.
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NoBrainScam @ 28th Aug 09:16AM:
Re: Suckers: They are born every minute....

They have left the web!!
Click for full size
No longer there!
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spamd @ 28th Aug 01:30PM:
Re: Suckers: They are born every minute....

said by NoBrainScam:
They have left the web!!
Still there.
»www.juiceboosted.com/

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anon @ 29th Aug 09:00AM:
Kodak and Fairies...

Not long after WW1, a bored young girl in England carefully cut around some illustrations of fairies from a book, and gently pinned them to foliage in her local woods. Then she took her Box Brownie and took pictures of them. It created a nine-days wonder: "photographic evidence showing the existence of fairies." Arthur Conan Doyle (a major sceptic and debunker of "contact the dead" scams) became involved... and was convinced. He took the photographs to Kodak and asked "Are these fakes?" And Kodak unhesitatingly replied "Yes they are." As the leading experts on photogrpahy at the time, their reasons were kind of disappointing. "There are no such things as fairies, therefore there can't be pictures of them, therefore these are fake pictures". Sixty or so years later, the young lady came clean and admitted the hoax, which she'd never intended to get quite so out of hand.

I don't for a moment think Juicebusted CAN deliver. But a brief examination of the megabytes worth of forum space is as disappointing as Kodak's reply in 1919. For the handful of people who know what they're talking about, there are literally hundreds who do NOT know, but feel that they just HAVE to share their opinions with us anyway. So hey guys... if you really DON'T have anything to say... how about NOT saying it? Cluttering the forums concerned with dross that makes the REAL posts harder to find isn't helping. Or rather it IS helping - helping Juicebusted.
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anon @ 30th Aug 09:53AM:
Has Salzano (norvergence) found a new Gig?

Looks like the Norvergence execs found some time to put another scam together.
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anon @ 31st Aug 04:23AM:
Not April 1st but October Fool

Broadband is ADSL. Broadband is the marketing term used because it was realised that most people could not cope with asymmetric digital subscriber line. This scam just proves they were right. As Barnum said "There's one born every minute." I guess he underestimated the numbers.

There are other variations of broadband sdsl, vdsl ad infinitum but they are all variations on the technology.

A thought occurs. If this had been launched to go live on 1st April everyone would have smelled it immediately. Therefore move it 6 months and you have the world's biggest gotcha! Let's hope it is no more malicious than this. However it has still been a very successful human generated virus with all the emails it has created.

What do you need? A PC, webspace and some technical knowhow to create a site which most 10 year olds and up have these days.

Could be the biggest joke yet. At least you now know who your stupidist friends are and who to trust for advice.
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alexm999 @ 31st Aug 09:39PM:
Re: Has Salzano (norvergence) found a new Gig?

What's the new gig?
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make86 @ 2nd Sep 09:39AM:
By the way

i dont belive that JUICE gonna work but only way it could work is that they gives software that uncaps modems.
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AD7BK @ 2nd Sep 01:14PM:
Also there is a creepy part of the website

Juice Boosted Affiliates start work on September 11 it is on the front page...
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anon @ 17th Sep 01:10PM:
Morons, all of you!

Just stumbled upon this discussion.

I have no idea what 'juice' is all about, and quite frankly I don't care.

I just wanted to leave a message for all you idiots who use the phrase "too good to be true". I can get (without even trying too hard) 400% on my investment.

Actually, it's 12% per day, but who's counting?

If I ever hear anyone, ever, anywhere, say the term "too good to be true", I instantly know they are a financial moron, and deserve to go to work every day for the rest of their pitiful lives.

I can only say one thing to all of you - GET AN EDUCATION!

Sorry, that should be: GET A FINANCIAL EDUCATION!

Or you can just keep saying "too good to be true".

Morons!
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anon @ 20th Sep 02:43PM:
Re: Morons, all of you!

My 7 year old grandson spent $2 on Koolaid and cups to start a Koolaid stand on Saturday. He sold 18 cups at a quarter apiece in an hour and a half. That's a gross of $4.50...or a net of $2.50. That's a return of 150% on his investment in only 1.5 hours.

Although his ROI was wonderful, he didn't feel the need to call other people morons or idiots.

Anyone can claim that they are making great ROI. But, as my example clearly shows, ROI doesn't automatically translate to lots of money.

Nor does saying 'too good to be true' mean someone is a moron or that they lack financial education. Making 400% ROI with little effort is certainly not impossible. Why do you think scam artists do what they do? But, as a rule of thumb, most people need to be wiser in their decision-making when it comes to 'get rich quick' schemes. They need to perform due diligence, but often don't. Reminding them about 'too good to be true' is simply reminding them not to get so emotionally caught up in a money-making scheme that they can't think clearly.

Frankly, I question your motives for writing as you did. It sounds more like you *don't* want people to think clearly, that you *do* want them to get emotionally caught up and make bad judgements. What is it...call them names and perhaps you can sucker them into making a bad decision that makes you money???
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anon @ 20th Sep 06:56PM:
Re: Morons, all of you!

Actually, I couldn't agree more.

I unreservedly apologise for my remarks - not quite sure what came over me.

Not that this is an excuse, but I had spent most of the day celebrating a personal event with far too much red wine and scotch, and my judgement was obviously effected.

Again, my apologies if I offended anyone.

Andrew
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