[Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

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Cjaiceman @ 16th Jul 05:05AM:
[Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Do you think it could be done? We have a place that is about 750 feet from a cable drop. The house is in the middle of the property and its on 20 acres of land, and there is a cable drop at the back of the property. What would be the best way to approach this that won't break the bank? I haven't seen one, but I may have missed it somewhere on the internet, but is there a Coax to Fiber extender that could be used? Would RG-11 and a few amplifiers be the way to go? There is no mains power out at the drop, just at the building, so if power is required then it would need to be run out there and I would like to avoid that if possible.

I really want to know from some of the install techs about how they would approach this problem and what would be their suggestions, but any idea is welcome.
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koshoka @ 16th Jul 07:02AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

750' is very possible, but it would require a site survey. Most likely someone from the Construction Department would have to take a look. The run is to long for drop cable (rg6/rg11) it would have to be feeder cable, so Construction would have to run the line. Comcast does have an allowance towards running the line, anything over that allowance would be your responsibility.

They only way to know for sure is to request service.

Are your other utilities ariel or UG?
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K Patterson @ 16th Jul 07:11AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

The power is already there, on the coax. The issue becomes whether the"cable drop" is feeder or trunk, and how far it is away from the node and the number of amplifiers already in the circuit.

By all means get a survey, but be ready for a high four to low five-digit crater in your wallet.
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Cjaiceman @ 16th Jul 04:40PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by koshoka :

Are your other utilities ariel or UG?

Both actually, but they are on the other side of the property. The Comcast lines are on the west side of the property, the phone comes in UG from the NE and power comes in AG from the SE. Propane is stored on site in a 1000gal tank and there is a well for water.

Would there be any charge for getting a site survey?
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K Patterson @ 16th Jul 05:05PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

There shouldn't be.

You may be able to help yourself to a degree. There are two kinds of line, trunk and feeder. The feeders are driven by bridger amps that connected to the trunk. You could think of them as pipe tees.

Is there mmre thanone cable abutting your property?If so, one is probably larger in diameter than the other. The larger is the trunk, and the smaller the feeder. Taps are always installed on the feeders. If all you see is feeder, that's not good. Adding 750' to a feeder is probably not possible. 750' off a trunk is doable. You'll probaly need about three poles.

Man, that is a lot of propane.
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Cjaiceman @ 16th Jul 05:17PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

It has to be feeder then. As you can see in the pic the drop is on the right, and the home is under the red arrow, I've walked it with a measuring wheel and its 748 feet to the side of the home.
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AVonGauss @ 16th Jul 05:37PM:
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You mentioned there were utilities already on the other side of the property? Are you sure there isn't cable on that side as well? If you or the owner really does want Comcast, I would just call and ask to have service established. If they're not sure from their records, they should do a site survey and make a determination - then the "negotiations" begin... ;)

Who has the larger green box next to the ped, electric? Is that a subdivision on the right side or another single home?
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anon @ 16th Jul 06:57PM:
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Hell yeah it can be done. Put a mainline splitter in before the tap, change the tap value after the splitter by 3db lower, and run QR540 to your house from the other leg. Loses about 12db at 750 MHz, you should have lots of signal by the time it gets to your place.
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tshirt @ 16th Jul 07:44PM:
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The problem I see is, you mentioned the utilities access from the other side, i.e. that's where the ROW is, comcast MIGHT be willing to access from another point, in trade for a DEEDED, PERMANENT, ROW easement, which in this case MIGHT require a legal " service road" (can't really expect a service tech to carry a ladder and all his tools across a field on a dark a stormy night because your cable is out :o) it also would effect the resale value of the land (No stucture shall exist within the ROW, access shall be maintained at 10 feet width .... etc.
The worst part might be getting a permit (i.e. does not cross or effect a wetland, sensitive area....etc. etc.) from whatever local, county, state, fed. agencies which "control"/ protect your property) All of which MIGHT be a your expense, before you could grant a new ROW, so that ComCast could survey it (and then , maybe, say NO!)

It doesn't hurt to ask but don't be suprised if somebody says NO! :(
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Cjaiceman @ 16th Jul 07:56PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

The Arrow is the drop, the black line is the property line, and the Red line is the power coming into the property. I have made sure, and there are no cable lines out that way. The ONLY place that Comcast has close lines are on the property behind the house.
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tshirt @ 16th Jul 08:41PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Ok now you need a ROW from the neighbor too. (makes the process much worse/less likely. (Unless they REALLY REALLY like you ;)))
I really doubt you can afford access from the direction, unlles you sell your property, which seems pointless.
As terrible as this seems, it is to protect property rights/Value/ usability for future owners (it's not just you agreeing to snake a cable through the grass, at your expense/risk
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gar187er @ 16th Jul 09:04PM:
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said by Peateargriffin :

Hell yeah it can be done. Put a mainline splitter in before the tap, change the tap value after the splitter by 3db lower, and run QR540 to your house from the other leg. Loses about 12db at 750 MHz, you should have lots of signal by the time it gets to your place.

what hes at the EOL? might need to put a Line extender in...what if hes 9 amps deep? its not always that easy chief....not to mention not every system uses qr cable (armored cable is the devil)....
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rody_44 @ 17th Jul 09:50PM:
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man i have to say. 9 amps deep. holy shit around here the max is 4 cascaded amps and they try to keep it within three. a fourth might be put in for something like this but never more than 4.
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Lyserjic @ 18th Jul 10:48AM:
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Interesting thread..

Several years ago my boss was having a home built in rural Fort Bend County, TX (SW of Houston) and the area was served at the time by Time Warner. (prior to the Comcast take-over of the Houston area)

He placed an order for TV/Internet on a Monday. His home is at least 700' feet off of the road where the main cable lines are located. He came home on Thursday to a cable crew doing a directional bore along across his property running some kind of hardline to a pedestal they were installing about 50 feet from his house.

The charge for the run? $0.00. This was obviously not cheap for the cable co due to the equipment, material and manpower involved in the effort.

I never quite figured out how he pulled this off. He's not a tech-savvy guy at all, so he really had no clue what they were doing. All he did was call and order service. My jaw almost hit the floor when he told me what they were doing because I told him TW was probably going to charge him an arm and a leg to run cable out to his house. Boy was I wrong!

-L

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gar187er @ 18th Jul 12:56PM:
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all depends on the local franchise agreement....could be a clause saying anyone "X" amount of feet is free...
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tshirt @ 18th Jul 06:37PM:
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said by Lyserjic :

I never quite figured out how he pulled this off. He's not a tech-savvy guy at all, so he really had no clue what they were doing. All he did was call and order service. My jaw almost hit the floor when he told me what they were doing because I told him TW was probably going to charge him an arm and a leg to run cable out to his house. Boy was I wrong!

-L

Tech savvy, maybe not but money/influance savvy is what counts.
It's who you know, or in this case somebody knew/figured out who he was, and thought it worthwhile to provide supierior service ,even if he didn't recognize it as being more than they would do for the average joe (most average Joe's homes aren't 700 feet back....$$$ money talks.)
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anon @ 20th Jul 11:54AM:
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We have 12 amp cascades in some areas.
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Cjaiceman @ 11th Aug 07:50PM:
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I thought I would update it a bit and state that I am having Comcast send out someone to look and see if they will do it, and if not for free how much $$. Since I am paying for their $189 22/5 (pre D3 launch here still), and have been a business customer for over 1.5 years, and a residential customer since 2004, and never had a single late payment I am hopeful they will do something. The thought of going back to 7mbps Qwerst DSL makes me shudder. :mad: :p
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Tsume @ 11th Aug 08:09PM:
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said by Cjaiceman :

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I thought I would update it a bit and state that I am having Comcast send out someone to look and see if they will do it, and if not for free how much $$. Since I am paying for their $189 22/5 (pre D3 launch here still), and have been a business customer for over 1.5 years, and a residential customer since 2004, and never had a single late payment I am hopeful they will do something. The thought of going back to 7mbps Qwerst DSL makes me shudder. :mad: :p

Let us know what happens please :) I'm getting a property in Tennessee that is right up along the road, but Comcast's cable stops being run on the utility pole 600-700' away. If they do it for free for you, I've got a bargaining chip :D
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cypherstream @ 11th Aug 10:42PM:
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said by maintenancetech :

We have 12 amp cascades in some areas.

Yuck, how bad is your roll off after 750? They require certification to 771 MHz on our SA 750 gear here.
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WernerSchutz @ 12th Aug 09:13AM:
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Why not install a solar/battery backup system in an enclosure with the modem there and fiber optic transceivers, run the fiber to your house to another FOT and not have to involve CC to do the cable run at all ?
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Michael05301 @ 12th Aug 11:45AM:
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When we first built our new house we had cable in the original house. To run cable to the new house (about 700 feet from the road) Adelphia (now owned by Comcast) wanted about 5600 dollars. The poles where already in, power and telephone was already on them.

I had them move the cable drop into our barn (about 600 feet from our house). I bought 1000' spool of coaxial cable for about 100 dollars. I put a two way signal boaster (available at Radio shack for about 30 dollars) on the line. I ran the cable from the barn to my house (didn't even bother to bury it). It worked just fine for TV and Internet.

A couple years later Adelphia reassessed the installation cost and offered to do it for about 250 dollars. Maybe they just wanted to make sure I was going to stay a customer. At that time I went ahead and had them run the cable.

While the cable was run from the barn to the house I was always nervous that if I had a problem that Adelphia would blame the cable I had run. Luckily I didn't have any problems that didn't get fixed on their own.
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WiFiguru @ 12th Aug 12:19PM:
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Just to let you know, Comcast came out to my place today, and since this house has never been wired for Comcast, the tech had to call the maintenance truck out, to get some "big cable", about 400ft on telephone poles, in order to service my house.

400 ft is not as much as 700ft, but they are doing this all for free.

-Wifiguru
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K Patterson @ 12th Aug 12:32PM:
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Now that's a good deal.
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Cjaiceman @ 12th Aug 02:53PM:
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Well, they are going to let me know by the end of the week how much and if they can service me. We will see, only time will tell...
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AVonGauss @ 12th Aug 03:16PM:
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I don't have any personal experience with and haven't seen a thread where it was discussed, but if the initial cost comes back on the high side I would be inclined to see if I could continue the discussion with them and see if there are ways to make it more affordable. You couldn't run the line outside the property yourself, but if they told you what they wanted and where it would probably be far cheaper to buy the cable yourself and trench it yourself on your property. Not a fun job by any means, but depending on availability of rental equipment it might not be so bad time and budget wise. You would definitely want them to tell you where the cable would meet on your property, depending on where the easements are currently established it may not be taking the most obvious path.
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taz291819 @ 12th Aug 04:37PM:
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said by AVonGauss :

I don't have any personal experience with and haven't seen a thread where it was discussed, but if the initial cost comes back on the high side I would be inclined to see if I could continue the discussion with them and see if there are ways to make it more affordable. You couldn't run the line outside the property yourself, but if they told you what they wanted and where it would probably be far cheaper to buy the cable yourself and trench it yourself on your property. Not a fun job by any means, but depending on availability of rental equipment it might not be so bad time and budget wise. You would definitely want them to tell you where the cable would meet on your property, depending on where the easements are currently established it may not be taking the most obvious path.

I agree. You can rent a ditch-wench for $100/day and another few hundred for RG11U, could save you some coin.
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Cjaiceman @ 12th Aug 05:09PM:
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said by taz291819 :

I agree. You can rent a ditch-wench for $100/day and another few hundred for RG11U, could save you some coin.

That all assuming that they want to charge a high install fee, and if its a few hundred $$ then I will just pay it. They might not charge anything if I resign my contract with them. Also, I think it would be done better if they bring feeder cable up to within 50' of the house, then use drop cable from there. 750' of even RG11U will have significant loss and will require a big amp, unless the signal at the tap is +20dbm, with 40 SNR, even then it might not be very good.

Also, I would not need to rent a ditching machine as we have a tractor with a 8" deep ditch digger on the back.

Edit - I would prefer that they do it though, that way if something goes wrong they will be willing to help troubleshoot it and maybe even help fix it.
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AVonGauss @ 12th Aug 05:41PM:
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said by Cjaiceman :

I would prefer that they do it though, that way if something goes wrong they will be willing to help troubleshoot it and maybe even help fix it.

I definitely agree, wasn't trying to suggest an optimal course just an alternative if they come back with a high cost (in the thousands).
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Cjaiceman @ 12th Aug 06:21PM:
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Well, I'm pretty desperate for this connection, as my alternative is 7700/896 Qwest... *shudders again*. I'm willing to pay a fair bit to get it, maybe not up to $5600, but a fair bit... :huh:
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Tsume @ 12th Aug 07:02PM:
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said by Cjaiceman :

Well, I'm pretty desperate for this connection, as my alternative is 7700/896 Qwest... *shudders again*. I'm willing to pay a fair bit to get it, maybe not up to $5600, but a fair bit... :huh:

My other option in my situation is 1.5mbps DSL.

Hook me up for free Comcast and I promise to be in your commercials to explain to your viewers just how much slower DSL is :D
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rody_44 @ 12th Aug 11:26PM:
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Whats not unheard of at all at comcast is striking a deal where they supply the cable and you bury it. (including hardline) Comcast has certain distances they do for free. After that criteria it allows a certain amount of money that they are willing to pay. Anything you can do to lower that cost works out to benefit both. It doesnt matter who pays for it. Once its in its their responsibility to upkeep. Whos responsibility it is later doesnt enter in to the equation at all. I dont think i have to mention that comcast will be doing all the tieins of the lines.
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Cjaiceman @ 13th Aug 07:12PM:
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Ok, so I got a call back today about the job, and they are turning it over to the construction crew because its required to be burried the entire way. From the site survey its about 1000' to the "plant" from the house. They should have an actual $$ quote tomorrow, so we will see what they say. *crosses fingers really hard*

Its not a matter of if, its a matter of how much... :hmm:
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K Patterson @ 13th Aug 07:59PM:
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OK, we need a pool.

Put me down for $6765.50

Sorry, typo. $16,765.50
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AVonGauss @ 13th Aug 08:41PM:
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THe cost will probably also depend on whether he went through the residential or business group. Several threads have indicated that Comcast appears to play nicer (?) with business customers - with a contract of course. Irrespective, I would suggest probably sitting down before hearing the estimate... ;)
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Cjaiceman @ 13th Aug 09:38PM:
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Yes, I am a business customer, on their $189/month 22/5 (it will be switched to 50/10 when launched) and am under contract with them, which I will gladly renew if they can provide the service with a reasonable install cost or no cost to me.
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beachintech @ 13th Aug 09:41PM:
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I seriously doubt its going to be no cost. I haven't ever seen a municipality with a must service anywhere near 750'.... $180 isnt much to cover the money they will have to fork over to service one house. They will never make it back.
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AVonGauss @ 13th Aug 09:49PM:
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The post by Perick in this thread »[Connectivity] Tips For Getting Comcast To Come To My House-Salt might be of interest. I wouldn't consider it a policy without seeing it in writing or a few more threads like it, but who knows.
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beachintech @ 13th Aug 09:54PM:
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Good idea, but a residential address is going to be the hindrance in that plan.

Not saying it's impossible, but I would plan atleast $5k on your part just to be safe. If it's less, awesome you have a bunch of money you can use for something else.
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AVonGauss @ 13th Aug 10:00PM:
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I'm not sure Cjaiceman is really going to want to see this in writing, but let's consider that it doesn't really cost that much more to deliver 50/10 vs 12/2 per month. The cost difference is really in the plant capabilities and that upgrade comes from a much larger picture and budget.

So, for fun, let's take the difference of $189.00 and the lowest tier of $42.95. That gives us $146.05, and to try and be fair but it's a guess, let's assess $30 more just because we believe Cjaiceman is going to use a lot of bandwidth. That leaves us $116.05 estimated potential per month without any consideration for additional services such as Cable TV.

$116.05 x 12 mo = $1392.60 ($189.00 x 12 = $2268.00)
$116.05 x 24 mo = $2785.20 ($189.00 x 24 = $4536.00)
$116.05 x 36 mo = $4177.80 ($189.00 x 36 = $6804.00)
$116.05 x 48 mo = $5570.40 ($189.00 x 48 = $9072.00)
$116.05 x 60 mo = $6963.00 ($189.00 x 60 = $11340.00)

I would gander there is potential to make back some or ultimately all of any upfront actual costs.
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beachintech @ 13th Aug 10:08PM:
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Contracts are only for 1-2 years. Gotta figure that the service could be canceled and never activated again after that. Plus the cost of truck rolls, service calls, anytime he calls in and talks to someone, etc.

The possibility is there, don't get me wrong. I just would plan on spending some of my own money to build out and get service if it were my property.
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tshirt @ 13th Aug 10:51PM:
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Which is why NO provider, would expand plant for a single, "maybe for 2 years" customer, for free.
offered an exclusive wired access to a dozen homes contract, or semi exclusve to 30-50 homes assures plant expansion cost returns and potential PROFIT within a reasonable time frame.
Having the home/business owner Share PART of the cost , lowers the upfront cost (to the provider) and makes it likely that the sub won't decide the next month that "dial-up is good enough" (churn rates kill expansion plans)
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Cjaiceman @ 13th Aug 11:09PM:
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said by beachintech :

The possibility is there, don't get me wrong. I just would plan on spending some of my own money to build out and get service if it were my property.

I will be glad to help Comcast out with the cost, but I can only afford so much, and I know Comcast feels the same way. I just hope that we can get it done within a price that Comcast and myself are willing pay. I didn't go into this expecting it for free, I'm just hoping it would be covered. $1K is about the max I really could go, so if the bid comes in higher than that I will see if we can strike a deal where they trench up to the property line and I do it the rest of the way to the house to help get the cost down. We shall see what they say tomorrow.
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beachintech @ 14th Aug 09:57PM:
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I would keep putting pennies away, you are most likely going to need more.
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Cjaiceman @ 15th Aug 12:27AM:
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Well, we shall see. They never called me back today, and I left them a voice mail, so I don't know what they are cooking up. If the cost is too high, hopefully they will let me dig the trench from the property line to the house to lower to cost and make it something I could afford. Its about 550' to the property line from the house, so that could save some serious $$ if needed.
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taz291819 @ 15th Aug 06:01PM:
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Don't remember if this was asked. Are you just wanting internet, or other services, ie phone, television?

If it's just internet, from my experience, it's quite possible. Wish you had a meter, to measure the signal at the tap.
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taz291819 @ 15th Aug 06:05PM:
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Also, if after a site survey they say it's possible, make sure an in-house tech comes out. If a contractor gets the job, he/she will not take the chance, no matter what a site-survey said.

I only say this because I was a contractor for Comcast and Charter. We would only get paid for jobs that were completed. Yours is "hit and miss". I personally wouldn't have done the job, because it may have been a waste of time. In-house guys get paid by the hour.
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Cjaiceman @ 15th Aug 06:33PM:
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The business class rep turned over my case to an (I think) in house construction manager. The phone number they gave me for him goes directly to his desk, and the phone number is only a few digits off from the business reps direct number. The business rep did say that they work closely with the construction crew when building out the network.
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Cjaiceman @ 20th Aug 02:50PM:
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I still have yet to hear back from them, after a few phone calls and voice mails to managers, still nothing? Is this Comcast's way of saying they don't want to do it, by giving the cold shoulder? Slightly annoying... Even if they are waiting on something they should at least return my phone calls and say they are waiting on something.
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leet @ 20th Aug 07:57PM:
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said by Cjaiceman :

I still have yet to hear back from them, after a few phone calls and voice mails to managers, still nothing? Is this Comcast's way of saying they don't want to do it, by giving the cold shoulder? Slightly annoying... Even if they are waiting on something they should at least return my phone calls and say they are waiting on something.

Same thing is happening to me currently. I've been waiting for two and a half weeks for them to start a site survey for a tap 600' away.
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Tsume @ 20th Aug 09:52PM:
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said by leet :

Same thing is happening to me currently. I've been waiting for two and a half weeks for them to start a site survey for a tap 600' away.

I put in my request on the 8th and haven't heard anything. I call every other day and the reps in Knoxville are very helpful. I was mistakenly transferred to the engineering guy in Knoxville and not Johnson City yesterday, so I called back, got someone a bit higher, and they emailed the Johnson City office on my behalf. Let's see what happens with that.
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CleanGene @ 21st Aug 12:35AM:
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Likely not. As much as they want to help you, they undoubtedly have a number of existing subscribers to tend to as well. Which is a nice way of saying they're probably pretty busy, but persistence on your part should get you an answer. May not be the answer you want, but you should get an answer :)
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nerdburg @ 23rd Aug 11:09PM:
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Yeah that's pretty typical...
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Tsume @ 25th Aug 12:42PM:
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said by Tsume :

said by leet :

Same thing is happening to me currently. I've been waiting for two and a half weeks for them to start a site survey for a tap 600' away.

Well, I called today to check on the status. It's "Not Serviceable" - but no one took the time to call and tell me that. I can't fathom why they'd say "Not Serviceable" instead of "5,000$ to run a line", but they did. My only recourse is to go to the local office, which is some 800 miles away from where I'm presently at. Awesome.

I called them again and the conversation went like this (turns out I got the same lady)

Me: My tracking number is xxxx-xxxxx
Her: It says not servicable, they didn't say why. It's probably too far away.
Me: The utility poles are there, the house is right up along the street, right down the street they get Comcast... I'm willing to give them money to hook it up.
Her: I'm sorry, you'll need to go into the local office.
Me: I'd need this set up before I move up there, that's why I'm making these calls in advance.
Her: I'm sorry, the only way is to go to the local office.
Me: Don't they have a phone number?
Her: No.

Apparently Comcast can't even service themselves with phone service... this is troubling.

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Cjaiceman @ 25th Aug 02:42PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I also got a call back this morning with a quote of $56,000! :o :o

The rep I was speaking with said that didn't make sense, and was going to call the tech that did the site survey and see why it was so much. Also I said that I would digg the 600' from the house to the property line if they would go from the property line to where they need to tie into everything else. They said they would talk to the site survey team and see what happens *crosses fingers*
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beachintech @ 25th Aug 02:47PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Told you to be prepared :)

It depends on how the plant is designed by you. If they can't add feeder / amps because they are already cascaded out to the max the design allows, a major rework could be in order resulting in that price tag. The plant has to end somewhere by design. You might just be in the right spot for that to happen.
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Cjaiceman @ 25th Aug 02:53PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

If I gave you the exact area, could you pull open the cable maps and look?
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AVonGauss @ 25th Aug 03:00PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

I also got a call back this morning with a quote of $56,000! :o :o

I am thinking, hoping, that was a miscommunication and the survey crew came back with $5600. Not that this answer would impress me any more than $56,000 per se, but I think I would be personally tempted to just respond that the location is unserviceable at this time rather than give a quote of that amount.
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beachintech @ 25th Aug 03:04PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

If I gave you the exact area, could you pull open the cable maps and look?

Sorry I don't have access to Colorado maps
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Tsume @ 26th Aug 06:20PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Alright, got a call this morning and was informed that the cable is actually over a mile away across 6 utility poles... basically that I'm never going to get service unless they put a giant housing project up right next to the house. Lame.

I still don't understand how someone 600-700 feet away gets cable, but the cable is over a mile away across 6 utility poles (meaning each pole is 800-900 feet apart????) sounds like an excuse to not even try to service me... but whatever I guess I'll have to stick with slow, slow DSL. OP, consider yourself lucky you can get 7mbps from Qwest... I get to go with 1.5...
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iansltx @ 26th Aug 07:05PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

If you felt a bit adventurous and DYI and friendly, find someone who can get service, split their bill for a biz connection or whatever, then grab some high-powered wireless radios from »ubnt.com (or rather, one of their resellers). Cost should be only about $500 for a top-notch setup, plus you get to use cool dish antennas to make sure your signal is spot on (or save a few hundred and just use parabolic grids).

You won't be able to get TV over wireless, but you should be able to max the internet side out.
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danielr83 @ 26th Aug 09:37PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Wow! That's pretty awesome, I would do that if I was in this situation.
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iansltx @ 26th Aug 10:25PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Gotta love 802.11n + some in-house performance enhancements to the point of being carrier-grade equipment :) Actually trying to get a wireless internet provider started with the equipment with a 100 Mbit fiber line as the backbone. Problem is, I'm now 900 miles away from the target market and won't be back for an extended period until December.

That said, I'll bet by December Ubiquiti will have upgraded their equipment a bit again so multiple access points (think more customers per tower) won't "walk over" each other.
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nerdburg @ 27th Aug 12:18PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I have a customer that is actually planning on doing something like that. He has a bus shelter close to the cable plant. He's planning on putting a little closet on the back of the shelter - and powering the equipment via a small windmill and solar. The windmill tower will double for a transmitter tower. Cheaper than the $7500 Comcast wants to run cable to his house.

I cut a tap in for him the other day, it should be a cool set up.
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AVonGauss @ 27th Aug 01:01PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Here is another thread that may be of interest:
»What type of coaxial cable for a long underground run
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Aug 01:11PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Very nice thread, I gathered from it that I need to keep poking Comcast, and dig the trench myself, both of which I can do! :D
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AVonGauss @ 27th Aug 01:45PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I hope it helps, I definitely see some trench digging in your future if you are able to get the Business HSI... ;) Not an expert, but I think the challenge in your situation is, if I am interpreting the pictures correctly, that the cable plant does not run directly on your property. If the neighbor is a friend and has a sense of humor about their lawn, that may not be an issue. As a laymen, it would seem that if you and the survey team could be there on-site at the same would be the easiest way to make the final determination. If the business office is having trouble getting the wheels turning, maybe the ComcastCares group can be of assistance? Never hurts to ask.
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ComcastSteve @ 27th Aug 04:52PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Got your email. We'll see what we can do to get it done.
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Overtkill @ 28th Aug 01:39PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Please keep us updated on what happens. I am looking to something similar in the near future with a new home.

I should be able to run my cable with the rest of the utilities, and data/com cable out to a gate on the road. The cable run will be a breeze to the outer edge of the property.
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K Patterson @ 28th Aug 01:49PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Maybe. Just because there is a Comcast cable nar to your property does not mean that you will be able to obtain service.

The nearest cable does it run by your property or end near it? Does it have taps on it? What is the distance from your house to the nearest tap? These are the kinds of things that will determine whether or not they can service you, and at what price.
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Cjaiceman @ 21st Sep 09:37PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Ok, so against all odds, Comcast is willing to provide me service. There are a few things I am working on though...

1) The neighbor, whose property I have to cross, has granted me easement access. They understand the reality of having a good internet connection and are willing to help in any way they can, and seem to not think very highly of Qwest... DONE

2) There is a major 20" natural gas line that has to be crossed, but its burried 12 feet deep, and other utilities, including power, water, natural gas line for the house, phone and cable all cross it. So, there should be no issue, I just need to get written permission to cross their easement... Working on it.

3) There is a 40 foot gap between the neighbors property line and my property line that needs to be crossed. Its owned by the developer and I am working on getting it OK'd as well. I am in contact with the president of the HOA, so we shall see what happens then.

4) Cost, under my price limit, so going forward I can get it done.

Douglas County here in CO does not have an official easement agreement form, so I basically have to make one that is very specific about our intentions, and its suggested that I make it a non-exclusive easement agreement that all parties must sign, then start digging and lay some cable! :p
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AVonGauss @ 21st Sep 10:32PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Glad to hear it is moving forward. You mentioned that it is under your price limit, is that with Comcast doing all the work or with you doing some of the work?
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Cjaiceman @ 21st Sep 10:40PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Yes, I am meeting Comcast at the fence with the trench. $130 per 24 hours for a trencher that can dig the required 24" deep (can actually go to 36") with a trailer for it. I am having Comcast meet me at the fence because they will cross the gas line, making them liable for anything that could go wrong, and the gas line company will probably be more easing going if they do it.
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Tordek @ 22nd Sep 03:15PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Do me a favor and get some pictures of this buildup. I just read the thread.. And your lucky. Here we would of charged you your arm, leg, first born child, and whatever else looked shiny on your property. Worst run of my life had to cross the end of a runway... We were given 1 hour to lay the "inside" part of the cable on the airport property.
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WiFiguru @ 22nd Sep 06:46PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Wow,

Awesome! Happy to hear that Comcast is going to do it.

Please, take tons of pictures and show us how the build out goes.

Have a good one
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Cjaiceman @ 20th Oct 12:19AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by WiFiguru :

Wow,

Awesome! Happy to hear that Comcast is going to do it.

Please, take tons of pictures and show us how the build out goes.

Have a good one

K, here ya go. :D

Photo Set:
»www.flickr.com/photos/27652872@N···/detail/

I would upload them all to here, but there a several pics, and the description for each one is on Flickr... :p

Edit - Flickr decided to not work today, so here is another link:
»www.filefront.com/14760027/cable.rar

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WiFiguru @ 20th Oct 01:08AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Very nice!

Is the job done yet?
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Cjaiceman @ 20th Oct 01:20AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Nope, those pics were taken today. I still have to put the CIC (Cable In Conduit) into the trench, then backfill it, but that should be all done by tomorrow evening. Once that is done then they can splice it and tap it. Once that is done then engineering department comes in and sweeps it for RF leaks, excess noise, and to make sure that there is sufficient signal at the tap. Once they certify it, then they input my address in the system and setup an install. If everything runs smoothly and has no major hiccups I should be up and running again by the beginning of next week, and that can't come soon enough. :D
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Der_Idiot @ 20th Oct 01:26PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

What was the budget for this? MN plant extensions for commercial accounts are in the range of $3,000 per demarc that is passed on the way to destination (Comcast foots each 3grand per demarc, the entire length), anything else is covered by the customer. Not sure on how they are handling it down in CO, though.

Anyone who terminates their commercial account prior to contract end has to foot the entire bill, or a large portion of the construction costs. Just one of those things.. :huh:

In any case, good to hear you're finally getting service. Here's to having another alternative to Quest in a free market! :)
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Rob @ 20th Oct 02:20PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I'm glad to see everything is going as planned.

So your neighbor is also getting service? That's a plus for Comcast.
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Cjaiceman @ 20th Oct 06:33PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

No, the neighbor already has Comcast. That entire development back there has Comcast, and it was put in when it was built. Since our property backs to that area it makes sense to get it.
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Der_Idiot @ 21st Oct 08:24AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Oh wow, so you own that entire lot that's vacant? I was under the impression that someone else owned a section of it (besides the easement).

You're one incredibly lucky guy. :)
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Cjaiceman @ 21st Oct 06:24PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I own everything from the fence to the house, from the fence to the ped is owned by BellCross, its a "green space" that will never be developed. I contacted our neighbor who lives on the edge of this green space, informed him of my situation, and asked if they had any objections to me building this line, and they were ok with it (they are actually very nice and laid back people, and completely understand where I'm coming from as they don't like Qwest very much either). I then contacted the HOA board for that area, he asked all the board members, and they all were ok with it since its underground and will not be visible by next spring. The HOA board then asked the management company and they had no issues with it as well. The management company signed the easement, which is 10' wide, and they don't really care too much that its there. Keep in mind that I don't actually know anyone in that area that has Qwest, and its a pretty upscale area, so they all have Comcast HSI (at least the people that I've talked to and have met). This all actually went a lot better than I was expecting, and thats really good for me. :D

Now if I could just get the damn snow to stop falling so I can go finish back filling... :mad:
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B52GUNR @ 22nd Oct 05:18PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Man that's a hell of a story :). Though I can't say I blame you. As much as I am pissed off at the billing department at comcast, I can't imagine ever going back to DSL.
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ropeguru @ 22nd Oct 06:20PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

Now if I could just get the damn snow to stop falling so I can go finish back filling... :mad:

It will stop... By sometime in May... ;)
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Cjaiceman @ 22nd Oct 06:36PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Update: A crew came by, even though I didn't have it backfilled, to put in the pedestal. They are going to splice it and tap it Monday night / Tuesday morning because they have to take down half the neighborhood to do so, but not for very long.

BTW - The snow this morning was 6" deep where they put it in...
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Rob @ 22nd Oct 07:45PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

It's so nice to have new stuff.

Can't wait for when they light you up and we can see your stats speeds.
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Cjaiceman @ 22nd Oct 11:31PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Rob :

It's so nice to have new stuff.

Can't wait for when they light you up and we can see your stats speeds.

I can't wait either. It will be so nice, I have been suffering on this damn DSL connection, 768k upload is SO SLOW! At least I had Qwest turn off the interleaving on the line so my pings aren't that bad:

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ComTech 4 @ 23rd Oct 10:03AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

With all the ped i seen, i never seen pea gravel in one
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Cjaiceman @ 23rd Oct 10:38AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Welcome to Colorado, where things that don't make sense are a daily occurrence :p :D
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WiFiguru @ 23rd Oct 12:36PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

What size COAX are they using for this build out?

It certainly can't be RG-6, and it certainly can't be RG-11....
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K Patterson @ 23rd Oct 12:41PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

It's direct burial hardline, as is used in the Comcast network. Probably by CommScope.

I'd like to know what sort of amplifiers were used. Unless the Comcast end connects to a trunk cable via a bridger, there has to be at least one amp??
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Enjoralas @ 23rd Oct 01:52PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Not necessarily. It depends on what the tap value of the end of line tap they spliced into was. If it wasn't the lowest supported, then 750 ft of .860 hardline is nothing, an amp is def. not needed for that. For instance, if the last tap was only the 4th or 5th tap after an amp, it would be a 14 or 10 value, and this subs will be a 10 or a 7, that would be normal plant design.
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K Patterson @ 23rd Oct 02:06PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

750 feet of Commscope .875 is 11 db at 1000 Mhz.

300 feet of RG-11 would be 13.5.

You're right. I'm used to thinking of runs with taps on them
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anon @ 23rd Oct 03:11PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by WiFiguru :

What size COAX are they using for this build out?

It certainly can't be RG-6, and it certainly can't be RG-11....

In relation to the ped stake, looks like it's either .625 or .750, definitely too small of a diameter for .875 cable.
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Cjaiceman @ 23rd Oct 04:46PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Here is a pic of the ped that it will be spliced into, there is no tap in the ped that I will be spliced into, its just there as a pulling point for the conduit.

»www.flickr.com/photos/27652872@N···9011419/

Connector on the cable currently there:
»www.flickr.com/photos/27652872@N···9011419/

Yes, there will be an amplifier installed at the ped I will be spliced into, and at that ped we are already 6 amps deep from the node, but they said it shouldn't be an issue as the rest of the area has some subs on 9 amps deep.
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gar187er @ 23rd Oct 06:21PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

Here is a pic of the ped that it will be spliced into, there is no tap in the ped that I will be spliced into, its just there as a pulling point for the conduit.

»www.flickr.com/photos/27652872@N···9011419/

Connector on the cable currently there:
»www.flickr.com/photos/27652872@N···9011419/

Yes, there will be an amplifier installed at the ped I will be spliced into, and at that ped we are already 6 amps deep from the node, but they said it shouldn't be an issue as the rest of the area has some subs on 9 amps deep.

yup, my whole system is node+9....makes for great C/N at the end of line...
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gar187er @ 23rd Oct 06:22PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by alinetech :

said by WiFiguru :

What size COAX are they using for this build out?

It certainly can't be RG-6, and it certainly can't be RG-11....

In relation to the ped stake, looks like it's either .625 or .750, definitely too small of a diameter for .875 cable.

looks like 625.....if its commscope, most areas purchase p3
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Cjaiceman @ 23rd Oct 07:06PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I went out and measured the cable, its .750 CommScope EZ2604121 (I am assuming that is the serial number or build number).

EDIT - Also, the run from the splice point ped to the ped at the house is about 1100 feet.
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cypherstream @ 23rd Oct 07:33PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

So they will most likely replace that passive with a bridger. If you can take a pic of it that would be cool to see what kind of equipment they use. I'll look it up and see if I can deduce if it's 750 MHz or 860 MHz (or heck maybe even 1 GHz).

I take it the current connection will feed through and your connection will come off one of the AUX ports?

Also post your signal levels from your modem once installed.

»192.168.100.1 is usually the modem stats page (but posting here you prolly know that already).
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Cjaiceman @ 23rd Oct 07:44PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

The splicing, amping and tapping will happen monday night, but I think they will close the ped back up and I won't be able to get back into it to take pics, but I will check.
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tshirt @ 23rd Oct 08:11PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

You are amazing persistant, and lucky (you should have bought a single lotto ticket (for us, you don't need it ;))to get this done.
Congrats on your sucess, and your "fat pipe" (No! No! not that! :o :o)
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pende_tim @ 23rd Oct 08:18PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

So what did it cost you for this install?

I had a similar situation with my cable company. They wanted about $6,000 to service my house, an 800' run. After a bit of discussion, they did it for $100 with me digging the trench.

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Cjaiceman @ 24th Oct 12:12AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Well, it wasn't cheap. It was about $6k total, and that's with me digging the trench past the gas line up to the house. I wish they would have covered more of it, but Comcast did cover some. They will only pay for what they can make a profit on in 5 years, the 5 year ROI. Any cost over that is then taken on by the subs in the area that want to have the service installed. In my case, since I am the only house that gets passed on this install I am the only one taking on the cost. However, I am looking at it as an investment in the house, because when we go to sell it we can state cable available, and in the price range the house is in, a lot of potential buyers will like that. When the house was on the market several years ago we had a few sales walk due to lack of cable being available.

[rant]

I just wish that Comcast would have taken on a bit more of the cost as some of the charges feel like I'm being nickled and dimed. Example would be for $1400 for the engineering department to come out and test their system to make sure its working correctly... Basically they will hook up their meeter, test the frequency ranges and make sure their system will work, but $1400 to do maybe an hours worth of work? Just seems high. I'm all for paying them for their time, but there is a limit... And they charged me for the cable in conduit, which I pretty much expected on this long of a run, and I got charged for the amplifier, which I can understand, and the time for it to be spliced in and tapped. The time alone was about another $1000, and the cable was expensive, then I was charged for the "pot hole" that the amp goes in, thats about $250, and the ped at my house was about another $300 plus $200 to put it in, it just all adds up quickly... In total I think Comcast took on about enough cost to move 50-70 feet, I did the rest :huh:

On top of that, I couldn't shut off my account or put it on suspend as it would close my exchange server mail boxes and my domain name, all of which I use a lot. I was told by the business department that if I change my account I would loose the ammount of mailboxes that I can use, and if I suspend my account that I would loose my domain name, so I've had a fully provisioned modem that I can't connect to anything, and fully working e-mail and domain at full price. And of course they won't give a discount for this whole ordeal.

[/rant]

So, feel lucky you got an 800 foot plant extension for $100 :uhh:
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Der_Idiot @ 25th Oct 10:39AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

^ I am thrilled and excited for you. It's indeed a great investment as well, 6,000 may seem like a lot now (well, it is a lot), but when this recession ends and housing prices start to go up again you'll have a great motivator for potential buyers (besides the massive lot with the great neighborhood and friendly neighbors). :)
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Cjaiceman @ 25th Oct 07:37PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Well, I am looking at it like any other home improvement project, you do it to upgrade something about the home or land, and this is worth it, just wish they would move a little quicker... :p
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K Patterson @ 25th Oct 07:55PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I hope they get it done this week. If it goes over next weekend you will likely be billed for the daylight savings time change.
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Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 02:07AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I guess I don't understand how DST has anything to do with how much I am billed? The time change happens on Sunday @ 2 AM...
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K Patterson @ 26th Oct 05:19AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Yoou've been working too hard and too long.

Not a serious comment.
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Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 11:39AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by K Patterson :

Yoou've been working too hard and too long.

Not a serious comment.

DOH!

At least someone is keeping me on my toes, and you made me smile, so +1 you to you sir! :D
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Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 07:18PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

So, a tech just left after hooking up the tap on my end of the cable, but he said that he has to wait until 1:30AM-2:00AM to take down the bellcross area to splice me in (obviously because it will be a service interruption). Then engineering comes and takes a look, then we should be live!
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WiFiguru @ 26th Oct 07:29PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I like how they already put the filter on the end. Like somebody is going to go out and steal cable.

Very cool though, can't wait to hear about your internet...are you getting DOCSIS 3.0?
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Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 07:30PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Yes, I already have the SB6120 from my other house that I am hooking back up. I am already provisioned for 50/10 business class, I just need to get the cable hooked up.
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EG @ 26th Oct 09:15PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

I am already provisioned for 50/10 business class, I just need to get the cable hooked up.

Hey Cjaiceman. Out of curiosity would you know what the modem config file for the 50/10 business class looks like. If so can you post the naming convention text please ?
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cypherstream @ 26th Oct 09:27PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

At least now you know where to go to take the filter off. J/K!

Regal 4 value tap. I guess I saw the low tap value coming after a run that long. I didn't see Regal Taps before (just splitters). I'm familiar with the SA, Motorola, Magnavox, Antronix Millennium. A lot of them all look the same though with that horseshoe shape. Although in the system I'm in we have SA 9" stretch taps (PDF Here: »www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···79fe.pdf). My tap is just like that, only 4 ports, but a 26 value. Modern designs don't really use 26 or 29 value taps anymore.

Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 10:06PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

the name of the config I have is d11_m_sb6120_bciwidebandblast_c05.cm

Which is provisioned at 55000 / 11000
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EG @ 26th Oct 10:54PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Thank you ! :)

Would you happen to know if this one below is 22/5 Business with 6 IP's ?

d11_v_sbv5220_bciwidebanddeluxe_c06.c
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Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 11:04PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

22/5 is d11_v_sbv5220_bcideluxe_c05.cm

I don't think they do one with 6 IPs

the naming scheme is:
QOS level - first letter of modem manufacturer - modem model - package - max IPs allowed
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cypherstream @ 26th Oct 11:09PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Oh I didn't even notice the 870 MHz Motorola 8db line equalizer.
Specifications: »www.leecatv.com/cat9.pdf
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EG @ 26th Oct 11:10PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I know but doesn't this mean 6 IP's ?

c06.cm
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Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 11:11PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Yes, it would, but I've never seen a config have 6 ips, just 1 or 5. Its possible, I've just never seen it. :p
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EG @ 26th Oct 11:15PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

Yes, it would, but I've never seen a config have 6 ips, just 1 or 5. Its possible, I've just never seen it. :p

O/k thanks for your responses guy ! And best of luck with your new service !!
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Cjaiceman @ 26th Oct 11:16PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by cypherstream :

Oh I didn't even notice the 870 MHz Motorola 8db line equalizer.
Specifications: »www.leecatv.com/cat9.pdf

So, I guess the obvious question is, what the heck does it do? Cause there is a Motorola PBA-4/A where the cable is going to be spliced (most likely it will be replaced) that connects 2 feeder cables together.
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netcool @ 27th Oct 01:20AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

eMTA config files always have at least c02 because the MTA gets its own special IP seperate from the CM side of the device. So it would make sense that the business sbv5220 config file would be c06 because one of those is meant for the MTA portion and the other 5 are for other CPE devices.
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cypherstream @ 27th Oct 07:56AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

It compensates for frequency tilt by progressively altering the dB loss over a bandwidth range (in this case 870 MHz).

Higher frequencies tend to drop off sooner than low frequencies over long runs of cable (cable attenuation). This causes a 'tilted' frequency response. The equalizer will compensate for this.

Say they have to push stronger signals to you because of the long run of cable. Your levels maybe could be:
Ch 2: 20dB
Ch 78: 16dB
Ch 116: 10dB
Ch 135: 8dB

Well Channel 2 is way too hot. so an equalizer (8dB) would lower it to:
Ch 2: 12dB
Ch 78: 12.5dB
Ch 116: 7.5dB
Ch 135: 6.1dB

So now Ch 2 isn't so over driven, while Ch 135 is still within range. If they needed to provide a little more signal for Ch 135, they could without overloading Ch 2.

These numbers are hypothetical, but just to illustrate a point.

Here's a Powerpoint on Adaptive Equalization by Ron Harnac of Cisco:
»home.comcast.net/~cypherx/Adapti···tion.ppt

Actually a better cable loss worksheet I came up with loss is here. I used 800ft Commscope P3 875 cable, assuming 28dB was coming into the run. There are formulas so you should be able to change any of those numbers and see the results:
»spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=···lE&hl=en
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anon @ 27th Oct 08:51AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I had a similar situation with Charter in my service area... house in middle of 10 acres. It took an act of congress to get them to sort me to the right guys because I knew I was over 600 feet straight line, but the plant guys finally came out and measured and gave me a price.
definitely not cheap, and warning; they will either follow your drive, or follow a pre-existing path for utilities, but they wouldn't go straight in my case.. which made my run 70 or so feet longer as my driveway winds through trees in front of property to shield me from road.

In the end I paid about $4000 which I tactfully added to my 'business expenses' on taxes since I have a qualifying home office. Only real regret is it being Charter Haha, but I'm still glad I did it. bellsouth DSL stinks in this service area and wireless although available has way too low a cap.
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DarkLogix @ 27th Oct 09:53AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

Yes, it would, but I've never seen a config have 6 ips, just 1 or 5. Its possible, I've just never seen it. :p

a package with a block of 6 CPE Ip's isn't possible
just look at subneting

a /30 (255.255.255.252) mask offers 0-3 then take 2 out (one for the network address and one for the broadcast and then assign one to the isp router and you have 1 cpe ip

the a mask of /29 (255.255.255.248) offers 0-8 take out 2 for network and broadcast then a 3rd for the isp router and you have 5cpe IP's

then for the large pack that comcast offers a mask of /28 (255.255.255.240) 0-16 take out the net, broadcast, and isp router ip's and your left with 13

maybe for the cdv they have a way to issue it 5 IP's and then tell the voice part to pull a dhcp ip
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 02:56PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

So, in an unforeseen turn of events the splicing did not happen last night :mad:

I was informed that the reason is they are doing a moratorium on the area, and I can't be spliced while they are doing this, and it will last through the weekend. The earliest they can get me in is Monday night, the 2nd, but they will try and get engineering out on Tuesday morning to check it and release the address.

I guess I am slightly irritated that I wasn't aware of this until after the fact (but the field engineer didn't find this out until this morning either). Also, maybe someone that is "in the know" can explain exactly what a moratorium is, and why its preventing me from getting spliced in until next week? :uhh:
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gar187er @ 27th Oct 04:26PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

So, in an unforeseen turn of events the splicing did not happen last night :mad:

I was informed that the reason is they are doing a moratorium on the area, and I can't be spliced while they are doing this, and it will last through the weekend. The earliest they can get me in is Monday night, the 2nd, but they will try and get engineering out on Tuesday morning to check it and release the address.

I guess I am slightly irritated that I wasn't aware of this until after the fact (but the field engineer didn't find this out until this morning either). Also, maybe someone that is "in the know" can explain exactly what a moratorium is, and why its preventing me from getting spliced in until next week? :uhh:

days/times when you cant take plant down, AT ALL......namely holidays, huge sporting events, etc...dunno why they have one on for your area now though...i can see in a few days for Halloween....
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 04:49PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Yea, thats what I gathered after talking to someone in the department about it. I was informed the only way they can override this is with a manager decision, and they already tried that, and he flat out said no. He stated that the moratorium started Monday morning at 12AM, and will not finish until Monday, the 2nd at 12AM. They are going to do the splice Tuesday Morning (Monday night) and try to get engineering out there Tuesday or Wednesday. I just with there was a way to do a little top down pressure on the manager to try and convince him to say yes, they have all the equipment in place to do the splice (which I will show in my next post), they just literally need to disconnect the cables, and reconnect them to the new splice, but oh well, guess I'll be waiting another week...

edit - spelling
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AVonGauss @ 27th Oct 04:57PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

For the amount of money involved, I would be inclined to call back and ask again preferably to the manager directly.

Edit -

I was going to say I can't think of any reason why they would be nervous about an issue cropping up, but then again, isn't there a world series or something going on later in the week? ;)
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 04:58PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

This is the equipment that is in place for the splice, and as you can see, its pretty much ready to go, they just need to actually move the cables. That amplifier is huge, I wonder how much it can put out? Must be enough to pump the signal 1000' through .750 CommScope...

Edit - Sorry for the slightly fuzzy photos. They were taken with my cell phone as I forgot my main camera when I was out.
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cypherstream @ 27th Oct 05:12PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

That's a Motorola MB100 1 GHz STARLINE Mini-Bridger amplifier. It's pretty much top of the line 1 GHz baby! Look how new and shiny the thing is! Congrats, you have state of the art equipment feeding you.

You can read all about it on Motorola's PDF Spec Sheet here:
»www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Bus···aleId=33

The forward path 52-1003 MHz has a normal operational gain of 42dB. Return loss is typical 16dB.

The config barcode indicates it's the following config:
5-40 / 52-1003 MHz S-split, two output, 42 dB high gain forward, ADU 499.25 MHz gain control, 14 dB internal slope, high gain return, full station.

The SSP-12N is Moptorola Starline system passive splitter.
It has 1000 MHz bandwidth, 15 Amp power passing. It's PDF spec sheet is here:
»broadband.motorola.com/catalog/p···SP-N.pdf

The PBA-4/A is a Universal Splice block.

If your ever interested in costs, here's a PDF of an upgrade done by Cable One in Idaho, using similar equipment. The upgrade parts list, quantities and costs are listed in the document that was furnished to the Idaho PUC...
»www.puc.idaho.gov/internet/cases···TION.PDF
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 05:20PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by cypherstream :

That's a Motorola MB100 1 GHz STARLINE Mini-Bridger amplifier. It's pretty much top of the line 1 GHz baby! Look how new and shiny the thing is! Congrats, you have state of the art equipment feeding you.

The SSP-12N is Moptorola Starline system passive splitter.
It has 1000 MHz bandwidth, 15 Amp power passing.

Good to know, I paid a pretty penny for it (actually $400), so I'm glad I got a good one. I didn't pay for the SSP-12N though.

said by cypherstream :

The PBA-4/A is a Universal Splice block.

That will/should be going away once the splice is done and replaced with the SSP-12N, and I had a feeling what the PBA-4/A was :p
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hussle87 @ 27th Oct 09:33PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

so how far are you from a node? just out of curiousity.
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gar187er @ 27th Oct 09:50PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by hussle87 :

so how far are you from a node? just out of curiousity.

hes 2900' away....

1 btd, 3 minis and 2 LE's.....LOL...you think he knows that??!?!?!?
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 09:51PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

And how do you know that? ;)
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gar187er @ 27th Oct 09:52PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

And how do you know that? ;)

that magic cable dust i have in the van...works wonders....

side note, i dont even know how far im away from mine.... footage wise anyway, i do know i got 1 btd, a 2 way, to a 2 way, then 2 taps, then me :) lol
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 09:53PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I thought techs from other areas couldn't pull up maps except for their area...
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gar187er @ 27th Oct 09:55PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

I thought techs from other areas couldn't pull up maps except for their area...

i was kidding man....lol....i could pull them up if i had the link to a different region/division...but i only have my regions maps
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 10:08PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by hussle87 :

so how far are you from a node? just out of curiousity.

I don't know exact footage, but that is how the cable maps show I am. I know at the splice point they are almost half way between amps 6 and 7, and as you can see in my previous post the amp for my line is just for me, they are not amping the rest of the trunk with it.
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cypherstream @ 27th Oct 10:13PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

They gave you a copy of system maps for your area? Does it indicate stuff like power supplies and exactly where the amps are?
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Cjaiceman @ 27th Oct 10:27PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Going off memory, I got a good look at it though :D

Edit - I do know where there are 2 power supplies on this line though, one where Baffaloberry Dr meets Tomahawk, and another where the line splits going around bellcross cir.
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hussle87 @ 31st Oct 12:06AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

so how are things going? any issues yet?
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Cjaiceman @ 31st Oct 12:13AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

The project has been at a stand still since last Monday because of a moratorium that has been placed on the area due to the world series and it being Halloween. They can't do the splice until the night of Monday the 2nd. Once the splice is done I should be good to go. Then engineering will come out and check the signals and noise of the line. If they are happy with it, then I get cleared and I can setup a date to get service installed. Hopefully by the end of next week I should be up and running. So close, but so far away... :huh:
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madden2k5 @ 2nd Nov 02:48PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Well you should be good to go by the end of the week. You must be happy to have some faster internet coming, i know both dsl/dailup suck badly, and i probably wouldn't even use the internet if that was all i had.
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Cjaiceman @ 2nd Nov 09:09PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Well, the splice should happen tonight, so we shall see how it goes.
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Der_Idiot @ 3rd Nov 11:24AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Any luck with the splice?
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Cjaiceman @ 3rd Nov 04:56PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Yes, the splice was done. Everything seems to be going well so far.
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DarkLogix @ 3rd Nov 05:28PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

how are the RF stats
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EG @ 3rd Nov 05:37PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Be curious to see a random trace or two as well.
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WiFiguru @ 4th Nov 01:50AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I am curious of the results as well. I think most of the people following this thread are =)
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harodude @ 4th Nov 02:21AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I await the good news, hopefully!
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Cjaiceman @ 4th Nov 09:28PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Tracing route to www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]over a maximum of 30 hops:   1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  pfsense.*****.com [10.10.1.1]  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.  3     6 ms     6 ms     6 ms  68.85.221.149  4     6 ms     6 ms     6 ms  te-9-1-ur02.englewood.co.denver.comcast.net [68.86.103.114]  5     9 ms     8 ms     7 ms  te-0-0-0-4-ar02.aurora.co.denver.comcast.net [68.86.103.45]  6     8 ms     9 ms     9 ms  pos-0-4-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.91.101]  7     9 ms     9 ms    20 ms  te-4-3.car2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.79.82.53]  8    19 ms    16 ms    17 ms  ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [4.68.107.30]  9    21 ms    17 ms    17 ms  ae-1-100.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.38] 10    34 ms    33 ms    33 ms  ae-3.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.132.62] 11    32 ms    33 ms    33 ms  ae-1-100.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.132.114] 12    64 ms    64 ms    62 ms  ae-2-2.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.132.70] 13    66 ms    72 ms    71 ms  ae-4-4.ebr2.Newark1.Level3.net [4.69.132.102] 14    62 ms    61 ms    62 ms  ae-21-52.car1.Newark1.Level3.net [4.68.99.37] 15    63 ms    64 ms    61 ms  NETCCESS.car1.Newark1.Level3.net [4.79.189.74] 16    63 ms    64 ms    64 ms  0.e1-4.tbr2.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.126] 17    62 ms    64 ms    67 ms  gi7-16.esd1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.222] 18    62 ms    62 ms    64 ms  www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175] Trace complete.

This is a temp install, but everything is up and working.

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cypherstream @ 4th Nov 11:27PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Cool! State of the art, 4 channels bonded together off of a 1 GHz amplifier and brand new cabling.
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WiFiguru @ 5th Nov 12:07AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Oh man!

Awesome!

Very nice. Bet you are very happy :)
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gar187er @ 5th Nov 08:29AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

im gonna guess they didnt balance that amp yet?

24 return??? lol
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beachintech @ 5th Nov 08:03AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Holy low upstream batman! I would stick a 4 way / 6 way behind your modem and try to bring that transmit level up a bit.
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K Patterson @ 5th Nov 08:21AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

That will raise the level in the short piece of coax between the modem and the 4 - way. How is that helpful?
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cypherstream @ 5th Nov 08:58AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Yeah would appear to need balancing. Even if you brought your downstream to 0, your only looking at a +31 return.

Your upstream speeds are phenomenal though, despite the low return!
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DarkLogix @ 5th Nov 09:49AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I would leave as is since the return is the power output of the modem and if the cmts is getting the signal loud enough then its fine

before going one way or the other about low up power I'd want to see the RF stats on the CMTS because its possible that the CMTS is getting plenty of signal from the modem
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EG @ 5th Nov 10:53AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by beachintech :

Holy low upstream batman! I would stick a 4 way / 6 way behind your modem and try to bring that transmit level up a bit.

Why ?
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DarkLogix @ 5th Nov 11:05AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by EG :

said by beachintech :

Holy low upstream batman! I would stick a 4 way / 6 way behind your modem and try to bring that transmit level up a bit.

Why ?

Well some think that an upstream power level below 40 is to low but really its only to low if the CMTS can't "hear" it

it just needs to be "loud" enough that the signal that the CMTS gets from the cm is usable
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EG @ 5th Nov 11:12AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I know. Not only that but as I and others have said many times before that this is a tough concept to understand sometimes, but you wind up with exactly the same amount on RF transmit power on the upstream side of the splitter anyway..
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DarkLogix @ 5th Nov 11:53AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by EG :

I know. Not only that but as I and others have said many times before that this is a tough concept to understand sometimes, but you wind up with exactly the same amount on RF transmit power on the upstream side of the splitter anyway..

you could flip the spliter around
in a combiner way

then put a term on the open ports to see any change in rf

but the CM should turn its own power up till the CMTS can hear if it was having trouble turning up the power then its a problem but as its connecting its not

in my opinion upstream troubleshooting needs the CMTS rf stats
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EG @ 5th Nov 12:07PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by DarkLogix :

in my opinion upstream troubleshooting needs the CMTS rf stats

Agreed !
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Cjaiceman @ 5th Nov 04:00PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

well, as of right now we don't need to troubleshoot anything as the connectios is solid as a rock.
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DarkLogix @ 5th Nov 04:32PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

no but you need to start getting your value out of it
go download alot
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Cjaiceman @ 5th Nov 07:09PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I'm already at 293GB total upload + download :D
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tshirt @ 5th Nov 07:35PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by Cjaiceman :

I'm already at 293GB total upload + download :D

I'm typing "the letter" right now!!! ;)
You're sucking so much bandwidth, the lights are going dim in denver!!! ;)
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Cjaiceman @ 5th Nov 07:44PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Nonsense, that's nothing for me. For June and July (before I moved) I was doing 900-1100GB/month on average, and that was on the 22/5.... 800+ GB /month is the normal for me since I upgraded to the 22/5 in April this year is where I am normally. :p

Edit - uploaded picture for use in June.
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Enjoralas @ 5th Nov 09:46PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by DarkLogix :

said by EG :

said by beachintech :

Holy low upstream batman! I would stick a 4 way / 6 way behind your modem and try to bring that transmit level up a bit.

Why ?

Not "some." People who know more about it than you think that, because they are right.

However, I do agree that throwing a splitter in to raise transmit won't do a darn thing, since the excess power would be "used up" by the splitter. The transmit needs to be set to a proper level on the plant. The amp needs to be balanced and a line conditioner likely installed if there's not one there already.
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iansltx @ 5th Nov 11:40PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Solid. Guess that's a biz-class connection then :p
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Cjaiceman @ 5th Nov 11:54PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by iansltx :

Solid. Guess that's a biz-class connection then :p

You are correct :D
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anon @ 6th Nov 11:58AM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by EG :

said by beachintech :

Holy low upstream batman! I would stick a 4 way / 6 way behind your modem and try to bring that transmit level up a bit.

Why ?

If this is evaluated simply based on power levels it doesn't seem to provide any benfit as some people have said. However, if one considers the signal to noise ratio of the transmitted signal there is a benefit. If we look at the output of the modem at say 24dBmV this signal will have a certain noise level and a finite signal to noise ratio. The noise in this case being largely thermal noise and a few other contributing factors in the modem. If some loss is inserted in the signal path such as some have stated, the transmitted signal level will increase yet the noise level will remain relatively steady. Thus there is an improvement in signal to noise ratio at the output of the modem. When the new higher signal passes through the splitter or attenuator used to increase the transmit level the signal will be once again attenuated back to the 24dBmV but the benefit is that the noise will also be attenuated, maintaining a reasonably constant SNR through the passive device.
The idea behing increasing the upstream level like some have suggested is to see an improved signal to noise ratio at the CMTS. Now I am not saying it is neccesary in this case, or many cases, but there seem to be a few people asking why one would want to increase the transmit level and the above is a somewhat over-simplified explanation of the reasoning.
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EG @ 6th Nov 12:05PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by CanadianTech :

When the new higher signal passes through the splitter or attenuator used to increase the transmit level the signal will be once again attenuated back to the 24dBmV but the benefit is that the noise will also be attenuated, maintaining a reasonably constant SNR through the passive device.

In real life field conditions how often is this really beneficial or helpful ? I would say that mostly noise or ingress is introduced into the plant farther upstream of the back of the modem. How great is the amount of "thermal" noise generated in a modern modem anyway.
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anon @ 6th Nov 12:44PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

It is frequently helpful, especially in areas with an elevated noise floor. However, the benefit is not 1 to 1 such that a one dB increase in transmit power does not provide a 1 dB improvement in SNR. There are some cases where it may provide no benefit. It would depend on the noise floor at the CMTS as well as the SNR characteristics of the modem transmitter with regards to transmit level (ie SNR vs Tx level, not the Motorola or whomever would actually provide that...). In a lab type setup where there is no noise the transmit level would not be too critical but in real world application it does matter. Furthermore due to the nature of digital systems an improvement in SNR does not neccesarily mean an improvement in performance, but depending on what the SNR is, it may matter. In either case, there is nothing worng with a little extra headroom.

Also, as some have said it should really be done at the street as the low transmit indicates that any signals coming back from a subscriber's home see little net loss before reaching the CMTS thus any 'noise' coming back from poor wiring, faulty CPE, etc also sees little net loss and contributes to an elevated noise floor.
Most noise and ingress is introduced into the plant from house wiring and drops. However even in your suggestion that "mostly noise or ingress is introduced into the plant farther upstream" the benefit is still the same. Any noise or ingress in the return path(regardless of source) is additive at the node contributing to an elevated noise floor and potentially SNR issues. Correctly setting the return levels in the plant has more benefit than simply adding some loss on the back of the modem (as you and others may have siggested).

However, to add a disclaimer, my original comment was simply a quick explanation of why others are suggesting to add loss in the link. I do not know the specifics of the case here or the upstream SNR for the modem in this case.
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K Patterson @ 6th Nov 12:55PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

Let's go back to basics.

No cable modem is capable of measuring SNR.

No CMTS is capable of measuring SNR.

Both estimate the SNR using the formulas developed 60 years ago by Claude Shannon. The modem and CMTS note how many correctible errors occur, and convert that to an estimated SNR using the assumption that all the errors result from white noise.

So the apparent SNR includes real noise, distortions in the equipment and transmission, and esepcially modulation errors, occurring in the modem or in subsequent amplifiers.

Now, how much of that can occur in a modem and the short piece of cable between it an a splitter? Essentially zero.

The only time when it makes sense to boost the output of a mode is when there are other noise sources on the premisis, such as cheap TV', amateur radio equipment, fish tank heaters, etcc. Under those circumstances it makes sense to install filter which attenuates the ustream frequencies, at the ground block or preferably at the tap.

Lastly, please note that at any giveninstant the upstream SNR is the same for all modems connected to that channel on the CMTS. It can and does vary from one moment to the next, obviously. When you see amodem with a low estimated SNR on the upstream, that's a signal to find out what is going on on that circuit. Installing a splitter is never a fix.
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anon @ 6th Nov 01:08PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

said by EG :

said by CanadianTech :

How great is the amount of "thermal" noise generated in a modern modem anyway.

I don't know, but I think if you ask an electronics tech they would say something like 'KTB'. Anyways, I was simply trying to help people see that the SNR must be considered to understand the potential benefit of increasing transmit level.
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rody_44 @ 7th Nov 07:15PM:
Re: [Signals] 750ft, can it be done?

I thought you did a pretty good job of it.
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