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anon @ 13th Sep 12:54PM:
Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights

Anyone else having problems with Fox 2 LIVE HD, like football today or the baseball game of the week yesterday? For lack of a better description, the image is jittering, like an extremely fast stop motion. Doesn't happen on analog 2, or 202 without the converter box. It only happens through the SA 4250HDC.

It doesn't happen on Cops last night (HD program, but not live) or local HD news or the dramas/sitcoms/etc that are in HD. Just LIVE HD sports. HD commercials during these live HD sports broadcasts are fine though. But the pregame now, and the shots of the around the league pre-game stuff....totally unwatchable. Same with the baseball game yesterday.

And oh, it didn't just happen. Been that way since I got the 4250HDC about a month ago but today is the first day I cared because of the start of NFL. When I saw it before, another baseball game of the week, just figured it was the feed from that stadium and didn't think twice about it and watched something else.

The problem doesn't happen on ESPN/2, NBC, CBS or ABC during their live HD sports.

Any thoughts? I'm probably going to exchange the box and see if that helps.
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Albo23 @ 13th Sep 07:37PM:
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Same here. Not sure if it just started happening on FOX or not, but today is the first time I noticed it during the Lions feed.
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dfrez @ 13th Sep 07:57PM:
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Same issue here in Sterling Heights with the SA 8300HDC. I noticed this about a month ago watching Fox Saturday baseball and it has continuted with the start of the football season. I'm almost sure it isn't the box but rather the feed from Fox due to this happening ONLY with Fox.
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tmalek @ 14th Sep 01:39AM:
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I also started noticing it about a month ago. FOX only, no other HD channel does this. How this passed QC is beyond me - quite unacceptable in my opinion.
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mdh218 @ 14th Sep 08:29AM:
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good to hear then it isn't just me. i'm the OP but didn't want to go through the hassle of password reset as i was busy with some other things. this morning i logged onto another computer that has my login saved :)

has anyone called to complain then to find out if it is a known issue? i'll call this afternoon when i get a some free time.
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anon @ 14th Sep 10:47AM:
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Sometimes I get a stutter on Detroit 's WDIV channel 203.
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anon @ 14th Sep 02:47PM:
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Same problem in Evansville. First noticed it during the NFL pre season games several weeks ago.
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LelandC @ 14th Sep 04:55PM:
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I'm seeing the exact same thing your describing here in Canton. Very annoying. Does anyone know if this is happening on Comcast? Just curious?

-Leland
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imrf @ 14th Sep 08:30PM:
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said by LelandC :

Does anyone know if this is happening on Comcast? Just curious?
Yes it is. It's a Fox issue. I've seen it on DirecTV, Comcast and U-Verse. Fox changed something recently and the picture is starting to jitter and look like crap.
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Jwobot @ 14th Sep 09:34PM:
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said by imrf :

said by LelandC :

Does anyone know if this is happening on Comcast? Just curious?
Yes it is. It's a Fox issue. I've seen it on DirecTV, Comcast and U-Verse. Fox changed something recently and the picture is starting to jitter and look like crap.
Was fine for me on Comcast.
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imrf @ 14th Sep 09:41PM:
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You're watching Fox HD? Not the normal Fox channel? I saw it at my buddy's place in Sterling Heights and it has the same issue. He's fed from the same head-end as you.
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Jwobot @ 14th Sep 09:57PM:
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Yup on Fox HD for the Lions game.
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imrf @ 14th Sep 10:17PM:
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It really stands out watching the Tigers games. It happens on both FSN HD and Fox HD (both same company anyways) but you can see it when they zoom in on a player like the pitcher. It starts flickering like an old movie from the 1800s. Saw it tonight when the camera zoomed in on a Jays player in the dugout.
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mdh218 @ 15th Sep 09:41AM:
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blue jays you mean?
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mdh218 @ 15th Sep 09:45AM:
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i've noticed when, for me anyway, when it happens the most:

football: press box camera from the 50ish yard line. camera shots from field view/endzone where fine.

baseball: camera shot from centerish field showing the pitcher/catcher/batter/ump. camera shots from the two dugouts where fine.

not sure what that means, if anything. seems the camera with the greater zoom capabilities (or i should say, cameras that are physically farther away from the action) are having the problems.
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anon @ 16th Sep 05:32PM:
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I have the same problem, has anyone besides me called WOW and told them, when I talked to them it was the first they heard of it.
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tmalek @ 17th Sep 01:03AM:
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said by mdh218 :

i've noticed when, for me anyway, when it happens the most:

football: press box camera from the 50ish yard line. camera shots from field view/endzone where fine.

baseball: camera shot from centerish field showing the pitcher/catcher/batter/ump. camera shots from the two dugouts where fine.

not sure what that means, if anything. seems the camera with the greater zoom capabilities (or i should say, cameras that are physically farther away from the action) are having the problems.
Now that you mention it, these are the only shots Ive noticed the problem too. But I have not noticed it at all on FSD HD (220), only FOX HD (202).
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anon @ 20th Sep 08:00AM:
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This is a known issue with the SA HD boxes and also affects some Vizio TVs when using the internal tuner. It does not affect any other STBs or TV brands. Fox is working with Cisco to figure out a fix, but I have not heard anything about a timeframe.

There is a long and active thread over at AVSForum for anyone who wants more information: »www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···=1163878
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imrf @ 20th Sep 01:52PM:
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Yay for Fox changing encoders!! :uhh: They need to get crackin on this and fix it soon.
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anon @ 20th Sep 04:50PM:
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said by imrf :

Yay for Fox changing encoders!! :uhh:
You can blame Fox if you like, but their encoder is still putting out a standards-compliant signal, and no other manufacturers' STBs have trouble with it aside from SA. Seems pretty clear to me that the blame lies with SA on this one.
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imrf @ 21st Sep 01:44PM:
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said by WOWer :

You can blame Fox if you like, but their encoder is still putting out a standards-compliant signal, and no other manufacturers' STBs have trouble with it aside from SA. Seems pretty clear to me that the blame lies with SA on this one.
Seeing as there are more Motorola STBs out there, no kidding that a Motorola encoder will work fine. And yes, there were people in that thread, just like I said here, that DTV DVRs have seen the issue to. So it's not just a SA thing. It's Fox and Motorola up to their usual douchebaggery. There was nothing wrong with the Tandburg encoders they had a few months ago. They did a quick and sloppy job at swapping them out and it's effecting a lot of viewers and making many unhappy.

SA had the same firmware available to their boxes before and after the Fox hack job and the problem cropped up after Fox did something, installed new encoders. SA didn't do anything and it was all fine before. Fox is the one to blame here. You can troll all you want and try to blame SA for it, but the issue wasn't there before Fox screwed with things.
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anon @ 22nd Sep 07:26AM:
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said by imrf :

there were people in that thread, just like I said here, that DTV DVRs have seen the issue to.
Anyone who says they've seen this issue on DirecTV is mistaken, period. This issue is constant during all Fox Sports programming, and it happens on all SA HD STBs. I'm not saying that there has never been any issue with DirecTV STBs that may have caused a similar output, but this one in particular does not affect them.

It doesn't come and go on the SA boxes, so why would it come and go on DirecTV boxes? It's all the same signal. I realize that it pains you to admit that these heavenly SA boxes may not be perfect, but it's the truth.
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imrf @ 25th Sep 02:10AM:
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said by WOWer :

Anyone who says they've seen this issue on DirecTV is mistaken, period.
So just because you don't see it on your DTV box means that no other box from DTV could have this issue? Please. In the thread you posted there were people that said they saw it with their DTV boxes. Nice try though.

I realize that it pains you to admit that these heavenly SA boxes may not be perfect, but it's the truth.
I realize that it pains you to admit that Fox is not perfect and has caused a signal issue, but it's the truth. :uhh:
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anon @ 25th Sep 07:52AM:
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said by imrf :

In the thread you posted there were people that said they saw it with their DTV boxes.
They're wrong too. What do you want from me?
said by imrf :

I realize that it pains you to admit that Fox is not perfect and has caused a signal issue, but it's the truth. :uhh:
Fox is putting out a 100% standards-compliant signal. SA's STBs are unable to handle their 100% standards-compliant signal. How is Fox to blame here?
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imrf @ 26th Sep 03:36PM:
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said by WOWer :

They're wrong too.
No they aren't.

What do you want from me?
To shut up and quit calling people liars because they see something you can't.

Fox is putting out a 100% standards-compliant signal. SA's STBs are unable to handle their 100% standards-compliant signal.
Apparently they aren't.

How is Fox to blame here?
Well, lets see here. No problems were visible before the encoder changeover and now after the new ones are in there are major problems with their live sports feeds. hmmm... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out that it's a Fox issue. I know it's hard for you to comprehend, I feel really bad for you.
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anon @ 26th Sep 05:36PM:
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said by imrf :

To shut up and quit calling people liars because they see something you can't.
I never called anyone a liar. I simply said that they were wrong.
said by imrf :

Apparently they aren't.
The signal has been dissected and determined to be compliant. Standards compliance is not defined by what SA's STBs can handle correctly.

The rest of your post is pure trolling, so I'm not even going to bother responding. Please grow up.
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imrf @ 27th Sep 02:50PM:
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said by WOWer :

I never called anyone a liar. I simply said that they were wrong.
Sure you did. By saying that they are wrong and aren't seeing the issues that SA boxes have, you're calling them a liar, and also me. I saw it, you didn't.

The signal has been dissected and determined to be compliant.
Not quite. They looked at it, and can't see what may be out of compliance, but there are a few things that are different now than they were with the Tandburg encoders. So don't tell me there isn't anything wrong. That's flat out incorrect.

The rest of your post is pure trolling, so I'm not even going to bother responding. Please grow up.
I suggest you take your own advice. You've done nothing but troll the WOW forum here and have been nothing but a pain in the ass.
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anon @ 27th Sep 03:02PM:
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said by imrf :

That's flat out incorrect.
Really? I've looked over the ATSC specs. There is a lot of technical stuff in there, but I've never seen anything about SA's STBs being the benchmark for compliance. Would you mind pointing out that part of the spec for me?
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imrf @ 27th Sep 05:47PM:
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I quoted wrong. But anywho, again, what changed from the night before the encoder swap at Fox? Hmmmm??!?!?! Mister Know-it-all? I'd love to hear you explain that? The night before the encoder swap all boxes had no problem. Then the day that the new Motorola encoders fired up SA boxes, Visio tvs, and select DTV boxes have issues? I hate to break it to you, Fox isn't doing something wright, period. I'm sorry that you just can't get the through your thick head, but it's a fact. It's a Fox problem.
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anon @ 27th Sep 06:42PM:
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Did a change at Fox cause the problem? Yes.

That's not what I'm arguing. If Fox is putting out a compliant signal, which it appears that they are, any decoder should be able to handle that signal without issue. If it can't, then it is a problem with the decoder.

I'm coming at this issue with the assumption that the signal is compliant, because all of the evidence I've seen supports that. If that is indeed the case, while Fox could show some goodwill and change things back, they have no obligation to do so. If it's not the case, then Fox needs to fix their encoders to put out compliant signals, period.
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anon @ 28th Sep 03:28AM:
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Haven't got that problem,just hope everything will be all right!
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pparks1 @ 3rd Oct 07:01PM:
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I'm just happy to see that I am not the only one with this issue. I was going to wait until the Lions game tomorrow to see if it was still doing it and I was going to give WOW a call to see what they knew.

I notice it mainly during the snap of the ball. It simply stutters for a moment at the snap of the ball..almost like there is too much going on and it's unable to keep up with the action.

I've got a straight coax line in my bedroom going into my TV there and I watched a few weeks ago and didn't have the problem that I was seeing in my livingroom through my WOW SA cable box.

I too have only noticed this problem on Fox HD....all of the other channels are fine. I even tried resetting the cable box, powering it off....even thought for awhile that it might be my external SATA drive that I have connected.

But it looks like this is a far bigger problem.
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