CRTC's Tv Tax - Cogeco's official take on it...

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Asawulf @ 16th Oct 09:25AM:
CRTC's Tv Tax - Cogeco's official take on it...

Just so you guys know what's Cogeco's stance on this matter :

»www.cogeco.ca/crtctax

Don't forget to send your opinion to the CRTC!
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bricktoppp @ 16th Oct 11:19AM:
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I support the TV tax
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Marcer @ 16th Oct 11:33AM:
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said by bricktoppp :

I support the TV tax

Any reasoning for this?
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urbanriot @ 16th Oct 11:35AM:
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Since they are already receiving an advertising revenue, and some are receiving a large chunk of government money, why are they now asking for another source of revenue and why would they deserve it? Tax payers are already funding some of these stations, why should they have to fund it even more?
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Bry @ 16th Oct 11:40AM:
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I support local stations, but I don't want to pay more for them.. so I am more likely to side with the cable providers.

Perhaps it's possible to cancel local stations via Cogeco? and then just get the local ones... for free.. OTA?
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ancodia @ 16th Oct 11:56AM:
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funny how after bending all your customers over and sticking UBB up their ass along with yearly 5-10% price increases you want us to support Cogeco?

The customer shouldn't pay the extra fee, COGECO should pay the fee. Your making a buck off their signal, you should pay them for it.

Strange how one day you proudly proclaim 'the free ride is over' and implement UBB but cry foul when the local channels want to be compensated for the signal YOU TAKE FOR FREE AND SELL TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

Just like you make a buck off all the people you say 'are stealing movies & audio' from the Internet by charging UBB.
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exseven @ 16th Oct 12:03PM:
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i wouldnt have a problem with the "TV tax" if the locals dropped the must carry status and allowed viewers to choose which ones they receive and pay for...

I can tell you right now i wouldnt pay for global or CHCH right off the bat and can probably deal without some of the others
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rudeboy24 @ 16th Oct 01:02PM:
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yes cogeco is taking the signal for free and rebroadcasting it accross the whole network.

but how else are they to get there signal spread so far ..antennas placed everywhere across Canada ..sounds like local tv is getting free distribution to me maybe cable companies should charge them for distribution all across Canada.
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mousky @ 16th Oct 01:25PM:
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"The customer shouldn't pay the extra fee, COGECO should pay the fee."

And how will Cogeco cover the added expense of the fee? Oh, I don't know, maybe increase the monthly fee? The customer always pay.

"Your making a buck off their signal, you should pay them for it.

You do realize that the cable companies are required to carry the local stations. If the networks want to charge a fee, then carriage of said stations should be optional. My gut tells me that won't happen because the local stations need the cable companies much more than the cable companies need the local stations.
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Asawulf @ 16th Oct 01:50PM:
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said by ancodia :

... you want us to support Cogeco?

I'm not asking for anything; but if this passes don't come back here crying a river about how the fees have gone up "again" for this particular reason... especially since they want to also put a tax on Internet...

Your choice... not mine...

said by ancodia :

The customer shouldn't pay the extra fee, COGECO should pay the fee. Your making a buck off their signal, you should pay them for it.

As was stated, you do realize Cogeco HAS to carry them, it's not a "choice"...

said by ancodia :

Strange how one day you proudly proclaim 'the free ride is over' and implement UBB but cry foul when the local channels want to be compensated for the signal YOU TAKE FOR FREE AND SELL TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

This is totally out of scope of the present discussion, I'll ignore that comment or any discussion argumenting about that...
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urbanriot @ 16th Oct 02:54PM:
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No, it's a good thing that you posted this as some of us care about this issue. Unrelated to Cogeco specifically, this topic was brought up in the main broadband reports and Canadian chat areas, and there's considerable interest in this. No need for you to have to defend such a link.
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Asawulf @ 16th Oct 03:47PM:
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I just thought that since we do have an official statement/stance from Cogeco, people might want to know it :)

Glad at least some people can apreciate :)
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Snickerdo @ 16th Oct 05:55PM:
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said by exseven :

i wouldnt have a problem with the "TV tax" if the locals dropped the must carry status and allowed viewers to choose which ones they receive and pay for...

Bingo. You said it right there.

That's how it works in the US, but they get to chose - either the channel gets no payments from the BDU and is must-carry, or the channel gets payments but the BDU can chose whether to carry it or not.
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Snickerdo @ 16th Oct 05:56PM:
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said by rudeboy24 :

sounds like local tv is getting free distribution to me maybe cable companies should charge them for distribution all across Canada.

That's how it works in Europe. The channel pays the BDU for carriage. If they don't pay, they don't get carried.
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OMP @ 16th Oct 06:22PM:
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One of the unfortunate things here is that the Cable and Satellite folks waited this long to start to fight back. I’m not talking about dealing with the CRTC and the Broadcasters but with public opinion. Anyone who has been following this is left opened mouthed at how screwed up this is and how crazy things could get. This is a corporate bailout for the broadcasters who over spent and now want to reach into the your pocket to pay for it. This will change nothing in the state of television in Canada. but raise prices. The cable and satellite folks are already telling you if it goes through your paying not them. I’ve read a bunch of the report that came out but I don’t remember reading if must carry was being discussed
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AMailer @ 16th Oct 10:03PM:
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I support it and expect Cogeco to absorb the extra cash.

But I doubt that is ever going to happen.
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Barry @ 17th Oct 10:21PM:
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So an Internet Levy and stricter regulations on Canadian content is not enough; they need to double dip as well. Most Canadian content is absolute garbage and I don't watch any of those stations with the exception of CBC (Please get a win this month Leafs). How about making a product that people want?

I'm sure the corporate lap dog will pass this because someone has to give jobs to those who can't get hired south of the border.

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vuarra @ 18th Oct 09:19PM:
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Asawulf... most of the time, I agree with you, but I must stand against you. If ignorance be bliss, Cogeco is the happiest entity in the universe.

I have erected one antenna for OTA service, and will be installing a second for the US networks. The only thing I'll miss is TSN HD, but I'd rather take the money I'm not spending on cable TV and apply that to attending a few Ti-Cat home games instead.

Unfortunately for Cogeco, their track record for changes has been between poor and abysmal, and while I started with them for internet with the whole @Home fiasco, I have no more loyalty to you.
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urbanriot @ 18th Oct 09:31PM:
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said by vuarra :

Asawulf... most of the time, I agree with you, but I must stand against you.

You're standing against Asawulf because you agree with the CRTC's TAX or because you're anti-Cogeco?
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Asawulf @ 18th Oct 10:26PM:
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said by vuarra :

Asawulf... most of the time, I agree with you, but I must stand against you.

No worries mate, this is Cogeco's official stance, so I can't take anything personnal :) I'm simply posting this to inform people since they do so often say they want an official position from Cogeco :)
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Gruesome @ 19th Oct 08:38AM:
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I understand Cogeco's side in this and some what of the broadcasters as well , but as usual neither side truly stands for the consumer.
What is the consumer getting? What's the markup?
How do we value any of this?

I say eliminate the must carry rule, let the networks negotiate with the carries in an open market and lets get a true determination of value

And lets make sure consumers can remove these channels and pay for what they want.
If local TV matters than those that want it can pay for it
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theninjasqua @ 19th Oct 02:30PM:
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Don't forget about the LPIF fee that was just increased.... »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/tv13.htm

The government has said for the telcos not to pass this along to customers but some already have. I'm pretty sure the early summer price increase by Cogeco was actually a facade for the increase for this, but naturally they will deny that because otherwise we could call and tell them to remove this fee.
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travisc @ 20th Oct 03:24PM:
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The CRTC suggested that the cablecos could absorb the fee, they didn't mandate it, and probably would have gotten a major legal challenge on their hands if they had. Rogers, Bell and others have explicitly passed this charge on to customers on their bills, so I strongly doubt anyone would have any grounds to call in and demand it to be removed.
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AceOfHertz @ 21st Oct 02:06PM:
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I'm in agreement with the sentiment that if Cogeco/Bell/Rogers are going to be forced to carry the local television stations, then they shouldn't have to pay extra to carry them.

On the other hand, if there was a choice in the stations that got carried, it would force local stations to not live with the status quo. Don't get me wrong, stations like CBC air a lot of original content beyond the normal local news, but if you look at CTV/Global, besides carrying shows that are already carried by US networks like FOX, NBC, ABC, etc., all that really remains is the local news, which some people aren't keen on paying for.

Just my two cents.
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rudeboy24 @ 30th Oct 04:52PM:
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So whats next the local tv channels going to send people around to find houses with antennas and charge them to?

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also they get to tell there advertisers that there ad could be seen all across Canada that means they can charge more for there ads.

hrrmmm who's getting the free ride now?
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