[Internet] Throttling permitted

[Internet] Throttling permitted
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Barbara Ann @ 24th Oct 02:19AM:
[Internet] Throttling permitted

CRTC requires Internet service providers to be more transparent about their Internet traffic management practices

ISPs can choose to manage traffic through economic measures. This means that they could charge consumers rates based on how much bandwidth they use each month, or offer discounts during off-peak hours. These practices allow consumers to make informed decisions based on how much bandwidth they want or need, and what they are willing to pay.

ISPs can also use technical measures to manage traffic. These could include slowing down or prioritizing certain types of Web traffic (known as traffic shaping), as well as limiting the bandwidth of heavy users.

»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES···1021.htm
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sbrook @ 24th Oct 11:34AM:
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Already posted ... see ... »[NEWS] Canada Gets New Neutrality Rules
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Thane_Bitter @ 24th Oct 03:19PM:
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Predicable on the part of the CRTC, however no less disgusting. :mad:
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siljaline @ 24th Oct 09:19PM:
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Also here:
»Re: FCC Approves Net Neutrality Rules, Now the Fight Begins
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Michael9009 @ 1st Nov 01:06AM:
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I thought the CRTC ruling stated that throttling would be permitted only in extreme cases, as a last resort. How come then that Bell is still continuing to throttle?
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sbrook @ 1st Nov 09:26AM:
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True, but it's a complain to the CRTC if you don't like what they're doing, and they'll investigate. It takes the CRTC 6 months to look at it, and gives Bell plenty of time to dream up some fictitious reply that the CRTC will accept.

So, what the framework says and what will happen in practice will be two different things.
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MaynardKrebs @ 1st Nov 10:11AM:
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said by sbrook :

True, but it's a complain to the CRTC if you don't like what they're doing, and they'll investigate. It takes the CRTC 6 months to look at it, and gives Bell plenty of time to dream up some fictitious reply that the CRTC will accept.

So, what the framework says and what will happen in practice will be two different things.

Agreed.

What will be required in order to affect any change of this policy of ex-post complaint investigation will be that each person who files a complaint with the CRTC should also register the same complaint simultaneously in a database that someone in the community creates.

The database should collect complaints from both Sympatico and independent ISP customers, and track the complaint from beginning to end (meaning that the complaintant would have to take steps to add any updated information or documents to/from the CRTC, as well as the final ruling from the CRTC.

Only in this way after hundreds of cases have been summarily dismissed by the CRTC over a period of a year will we collectively have enough ammunition to beat the CRTC over the head with to change the policy from ex-post to ex-ante.
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Glen1 @ 1st Nov 10:43AM:
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MaynardG you do make a true and valid point here. It is up to the individual to voice his opinion...it is time to stand up and be counted otherwise this will stay the way it is.
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Michael9009 @ 2nd Nov 12:08AM:
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I still don't get it. Isn't Bell supposed to obey the latest CRTC decisions which says that throttling should be used only as an extreme measure?...
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jfmezei @ 2nd Nov 03:06AM:
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If a complaint goes by the standard "30 days of discussion from the day the complain is accepted, followed by 1 week for complainant to make final reply", then perhaps what should be done is for an organised campaign where one new complaint is filed the minute the comments for the old one have been closed. The CRTC would be faced with the tedious task of processing these complaints separately, and even if they have a form letter written by Bell for the decision on those complainst, Bell and the CRTC (a BCE company) will tire of the process eventually :-)

What is certain is that the next complaint must include Sympatico customers. It cannot be a "GAS" complaint, it must be an inclusive complaint that includes both Sympatico and GAS *end users* (or consumer groups).

If the CRTC is ever to make a ruling that will reduce Bell's discriminatory crippling/blocking of certain applications whether or not there is congestion, then the complaint which generates that investigation must encompass both Sympatico and GAS because the CRTC will not rule in a way that would place one or the other at a disadvantage. (this is, in my opinion, the major reason the R&V on the throttling of GAS failed because CRTC wasn't about to rule in a way that GAS would have been spared the packet torture performed by Bell's DPI equipment while Sympatico customers would have continued to suffer.

This also has to be consumer driven. Are there any Sympatico user groups ? (The ISP that sells internet access to Sympatico end users isn't about to complain about itself, so there needs to be a end user driven complaint).
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MaynardKrebs @ 2nd Nov 06:48PM:
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said by jfmezei :

What is certain is that the next complaint must include Sympatico customers. It cannot be a "GAS" complaint, it must be an inclusive complaint that includes both Sympatico and GAS *end users* (or consumer groups).

If the CRTC is ever to make a ruling that will reduce Bell's discriminatory crippling/blocking of certain applications whether or not there is congestion, then the complaint which generates that investigation must encompass both Sympatico and GAS because the CRTC will not rule in a way that would place one or the other at a disadvantage. (this is, in my opinion, the major reason the R&V on the throttling of GAS failed because CRTC wasn't about to rule in a way that GAS would have been spared the packet torture performed by Bell's DPI equipment while Sympatico customers would have continued to suffer.

Canadian Tire buys a lot of the same merchandise from the same wholesalers as other merchants do - probably at the same price. Canadian Tire makes you show ID if you return something for a refund, other merchants don't. This is but one way retailers differentiate themselves.

The CRTC model requires that everyone returning merchandise follow the old Stalinist model of queueing in line to take a number to speak to someone about getting a refund, then getting an appointment for another day to actually bring the merchandise in for the refund, all because the CRTC thinks this is the way the market should work.
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