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kevin3000 @ 2nd Nov 12:41AM:
Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

I've had this isp for over two years and spread the word to everyone I know about how they should switch to Teksavvy....great client care...competitive pricing...great product and service.

Well....This has all gone down the drain in the past two weeks (for me that is). After living overseas for 10 months I returned to the country and stayed at my in-laws for 8 weeks during which I had Teksavvy provide me with DSL service in the same great fashion they had at my home prior to leaving the country.

Prior to moving bak into my house, I contacted Teksavvy to have them set me up which they did.

2 weeks have passed. My DSL loses sync every 15-20 minutes...around the clock. It takes 5 to 8 minutes for the sync to come back and this is a full 2 weeks of this scenario.

I've contacted Teksavvy tech support a total of 7 times in the past week and a half....had a Bell tech come to the house once...and had tickets open on at least 4 occasions.

My profile has gone from 5/512 to 6/800 back to 5/512 to 6/512 and on and on and on......

I've expressed to Teksavvy that THEY need to tell me what I must do on my end since my only concern is having a solid internet service from the provider that I was happy with and I DIDN'T want to have to switch to another isp.

Today....after spending 25 minutes on the phone with Teksavvy tech support I was told to stay put and wait by the phone as a Bell tech was going to call me in 15 minutes and directly deal with me and try his best to end this ordeal once and for all.......no call!!

2 weeks...internet service that works ~40 minutes out of every hour.....7-8 +/- 15 minute phone calls to Teksavvy......One Bell tech house visit....4 Bell open tickets.....one promised phone call with no follow through......

Both my wife and I use internet for personal and business...not having solid internet like this feels like having the lights turned off!

Very disappointed with you guys....Don't know what to do next!? Wish you could do the right thing and help me get the service that is owed to me as a paying customer so we could go on with our relationship...
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TSI David @ 2nd Nov 12:44AM:
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Hi,

Could you PM me the details here or create a post in the direct forum so I can take a look into this for you?

Thanks,

David
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anon @ 2nd Nov 03:17AM:
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Sounds 100% like a Bell issue or internal wiring issue. I know it's easy to blame Tek for all this, but it seems like they're doing what they're able to do.

Sometimes technology that was kicked, beaten and spit at to get working (DSL over POTS hardware) doesn't work like it does in the lab.

Although you feel like they owe you so much for $29.95, they've probably still lost money on you even if you stay with them for 2 years. Since you're only staying with them for 8 weeks, they're almost guaranteed to lose money on you.

Be grateful they haven't just given up and cut you off, it would've made good business sense to do so.

Don't expect much sympathy from me, and I expect others, Tek is using the money they're making from ourselves to try and get you a half-decent DSL connection, and you're still unhappy.

In my field, customers like this aren't worth it, they'll never be happy. He's even complaining about being switched from a 6mbit to a 5mbit profile...
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needFiber @ 2nd Nov 01:25AM:
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How could the service change though? Is it possible the OP was on a remote and after repurchasing he is no longer on a remote?
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GyroCaptain @ 2nd Nov 02:43AM:
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I heard something similar with another poster last year that involved rainy weather. He would lose sync similar to yours whenever it rained. Something about shorting out his outside line? Cant recall the details however.

Hope everything works out.
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scruffy @ 2nd Nov 03:17AM:
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said by GyroCaptain :

I heard something similar with another poster last year that involved rainy weather. He would lose sync similar to yours whenever it rained. Something about shorting out his outside line? Cant recall the details however.

Hope everything works out.
Yeah, I believe that was me, I posted last fall about intermittent sync when it rained. After escalating half a dozen time from Teksavvy to Bell and 3 Bell techs later at my house, they detected a voltage differential on the line between the outside of the house and the CO box down the road (i.e. shorted phone line). They first replaced the line from my house to the post and then left.... problem still occured, came back, found the same problem again, so the replaced the whole line from the CO to my post, and now it works great. In non-MLPPP mode I can keep a connection uptime for over a week, and I never get sync loss (unless I turn on MLPPP, then it varies, but I think that has more to do with Bell toying with their throttling countermeasures).
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scruffy @ 2nd Nov 03:27AM:
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said by kevin3000 :

Prior to moving bak into my house, I contacted Teksavvy to have them set me up which they did.

2 weeks have passed. My DSL loses sync every 15-20 minutes...around the clock. It takes 5 to 8 minutes for the sync to come back and this is a full 2 weeks of this scenario.

I've contacted Teksavvy tech support a total of 7 times in the past week and a half....had a Bell tech come to the house once...and had tickets open on at least 4 occasions.

My profile has gone from 5/512 to 6/800 back to 5/512 to 6/512 and on and on and on......
I do sympathise with you, but the best thing you can do is to keep calling TSI to re-escalate your ticket every 2 days until the issue is fixed. Connection (SYNC/ATM light turns off or blinks on your modem) are not things that Teksavvy can fix, they have to call Bell on your behalf to do an "investigation". However, what Bell does in 99% of the cases when a customer complains about sync loss is just lower your speed again and again until you get a stable connection, instead of actually going out and fixing the wires.

It took me a month of back and forth between Teksavvy and Bell before Bell came to fix the physical phone line.

Also, changing DSL ISP's or going with Sympatico wouldn't help you either, other DSL ISP's will have the same problem you are having right now, and if you switched to Sympatico, they would never actually fix the problem for you, they have an process flowchart that they must follow where the must ship you a replacement modem (turnaround time ~1 week) which doesn't help, and then after that they just keep lowering and lowering your speed profile. When I was in college I worked for Bell and I saw ridiculous things, people having the same problem as I was having, except instead of dispatching a tech on site, they lowered one client I remember all the way down to 256 (kbps) and he was an Ultra subscriber @ 70$ for a sub 1mb connection.
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justsomeguy @ 2nd Nov 05:06AM:
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sounds like he already did the 8 weeks and is back to his own home now.
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justsomeguy @ 2nd Nov 05:28AM:
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said by TSI David :

Hi,

Could you PM me the details here or create a post in the direct forum so I can take a look into this for you?

Thanks,

David
I'm surprised you are not already familiar with this customer.
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justsomeguy @ 2nd Nov 05:34AM:
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Give Teksavvy 1-2 more weeks and if they cant do anything it looks like you have to get hooked up on cable instead.


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kevin3000 @ 2nd Nov 07:00AM:
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said by Jaser :

Sounds 100% like a Bell issue or internal wiring issue. I know it's easy to blame Tek for all this, but it seems like they're doing what they're able to do.

Sometimes technology that was kicked, beaten and spit at to get working (DSL over POTS hardware) doesn't work like it does in the lab.

Although you feel like they owe you so much for $29.95, they've probably still lost money on you even if you stay with them for 2 years. Since you're only staying with them for 8 weeks, they're almost guaranteed to lose money on you.

Be grateful they haven't just given up and cut you off, it would've made good business sense to do so.

Don't expect much sympathy from me, and I expect others, Tek is using the money they're making from ourselves to try and get you a half-decent DSL connection, and you're still unhappy.

In my field, customers like this aren't worth it, they'll never be happy. He's even complaining about being switched from a 6mbit to a 5mbit profile...
Obviously...you have no clue of the simple principles of the service industry. You are obligated to deliver the said service, at the said price within the agreed parameters.

All I ask for is to get reliable internet for my $39.95 (not $29.95).

By the sounds of your post, Teksavvy is doing me a favour by taking $40 a month for the past 2 years...just like everyone else I give my money to is doing me favours!. You must be a real pleasure to have as a client....paying for goods and services and taking it all as a privilege rather than a due.....

I told Teksavvy numerous times that all I wanted was reliable internet service...I DON'T care what profile I'm on...5 or 6....and the upsetting factor was that I couldn't get this problem resolved and I didn't want to leave Teksavvy...all that after being a client for 2 years...and your opinion is that they should simply cut me off....wow....anyways, good thing the Techs at Teksavvy don't have an anti-commercial attitude like yours and have given me some empathy!

To be followed.....
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anon @ 2nd Nov 08:04AM:
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Sounds like it has nothing to do with Tek. They are doing their jobs as long as they're contacting Bell on behalf of you.

It doesn't matter what and how many favors you have done to recommend Tek to your friends. They still can't fix your problem because that's beyond their capabilities. Join Bell and directly deal with them if you want to.
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dslrocker3 @ 2nd Nov 07:48AM:
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said by kevin3000 :

All I ask for is to get reliable internet for my $39.95 (not $29.95).

I told Teksavvy numerous times that all I wanted was reliable internet service...I DON'T care what profile I'm on...5 or 6....
Unfortunately, when the issue at hand is loss of sync, this is something that Bell controls. I know that you are paying Teksavvy for the service and you expect them to help you but please realize that when its a line problem, it doesn't matter if you are paying $29.95, $39.95, or $69.95. It will still be the same, unstable Bell line. I kwow you would prefer wiring repairs to be completed but that's going to take a lot longer it sounds like you are running out of patience.

I'm not so sure that you really want to take the stance that you don't care what profile you are set to. If that was competely true, you would have signed up to 512/512 Kbps service which would probably be completely reliable and at a lower cost. If you take this stance, Bell will simply put you to the slowest possible speed and say that's how they fixed your losses of sync. How would you feel if they set you to 1184/640 Kbps? ...Problem solved, no more losses in sync but then you might complain that you aren't getting the speed that you paid for. So if you really want a more stable connection, I would suggest to simply ask for a lower profile setting. Setting the profile to something such as 3008/512 Kbps will most likely elminate your problems. Unfortunately getting Bell to perform physical wiring repairs can prove to be almost impossible. You need to decide for sure what's more important: faster speeds or higher stability. If it's the latter, accepting the slower speed can be a quick, painless solution, especially when it sounds like you are almost out of patience and what a resolution of your issue now.
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mlerner @ 2nd Nov 08:03AM:
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I can understand the frustration but the kick in the teeth here is Bell ultimately controls the last mile. TekSavvy is providing service from their end but they have no control over Bell's portion except to file trouble tickets. Moreover what you're actually paying for is up to X speed, nothing is guaranteed as Bell points out in the wholesale tariff.
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AkFubar @ 2nd Nov 08:10AM:
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I also understand your frustration. Teksavvy has fought Bell on behalf of many customers and had successful results. Does take time tho. Try to be patient and allow Teksavvy to deal with Bell on this. I'm pretty sure they will work to get you the most out of this situation. If they can't, they will tell you so you can consider what limited alternatives you might have available to you.
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 08:22AM:
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In my opinion this thread i one of the numerous others which
was badly titled. It seems the whole thing is about Bell and
not the 3rd-party ISP you're dealing with. There are fanboys
who like to claim that TekSavvy will "fight" in your favour, it
doesn't mean TekSavvy will send one of their own people to
climb into the poles: Bell owns the distribution network, they
get twenty-some bucks no matter what happens and what's
left goes to your ISP who gets the blame. That's a win-win
scenario for Bell, or a loose-loose scenario for anyone else...

Maybe TekSavvy shouldn't allow any customer to think they
have as much lever as some people like to pretend over here
but i wish to join my voice to those of the others anyway! It
is a Bell issue so lets blame Bell for it. By the way, it wouldn't
hurt to show more evidence while you're at it... For example,
TerTech's 'DSL_StatScope' tool would do nicely. Perhaps this
will even give the thread a proper direction compared to what
the title promises, actually!


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anon @ 2nd Nov 09:07AM:
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Definately bell playing games with you, sit tight teksavvy will get it straightened out. When I switched to teksavvy bell pulled my line card twice out of spite. Each time they replace it with a slower card. The techs at teksavvy got it straightened out, no thanks to bell.
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 08:29AM:
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39.95 $/m!!!

Euh...

There must be an error, isn't it???



What kind of account is that!?


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HiVolt @ 2nd Nov 09:07AM:
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said by Bicephale :

39.95 $/m!!!

Euh...

There must be an error, isn't it???



What kind of account is that!?


Probably the Unlimited package. :)
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 09:13AM:
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Oh, i see: that MLPPP thing which flooded this site for so long...
Well, i guess frustration is justifying the extra expense after all!


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TSI Rick @ 2nd Nov 09:21AM:
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Good Morning,

I just sent you a PM and was wondering if you could take a peek and reply if possible.

Thanks in advance,

Rick
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bt @ 2nd Nov 10:42AM:
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said by needFiber :

How could the service change though? Is it possible the OP was on a remote and after repurchasing he is no longer on a remote?
Could be as simple as a squirrel chewing through the line somewhere. Happened to my landline and it took 3 days before Bell finally found the problem, a block from my house. Only reason it was fixed that quickly was that I was lucky enough to get a tech who was able to tell right away that yes, it was a problem with Bell's lines, and started tracing the line towards the CO after he determined it wasn't a problem *at* my house. Most techs would have just said there wasn't a problem with the drop and walked away...
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olebiker @ 2nd Nov 11:37AM:
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said by HiVolt :

said by Bicephale :

39.95 $/m!!!

Euh...

There must be an error, isn't it???



What kind of account is that!?


Probably the Unlimited package. :)
Yep that is the unlimited price. But not with MLPPP on it.
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grayfox @ 2nd Nov 12:07PM:
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Call 611 tell them theres static on your phone lines when it rains.

Thats the only way ive had a bell tech show up before for any bell related issue.
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anon @ 2nd Nov 01:02PM:
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said by grayfox :

Call 611 tell them theres static on your phone lines when it rains.
If as the OP states, "DSL loses sync every 15-20 minutes...around the clock. It takes 5 to 8 minutes for the sync to come back"

There is something substantial wrong with the circuit or internal wiring that a profile change will not help with.

This is probably metallic and a voice repair is probably the least painful experience.
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CoverIt @ 2nd Nov 01:35PM:
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said by grayfox :

Call 611 tell them theres static on your phone lines when it rains.

Thats the only way ive had a bell tech show up before for any bell related issue.
That and cross talk. I've had them replace the undergroud line about 3 times in 10 years.
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alekssavvy @ 2nd Nov 02:47PM:
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why do people keep turning blame over to bell? ya no sh$t bell dont care and are the problem. but he didnt sign up with bell, he signed up with teksavvy and it is teksavvy's responsibility to have his internet working as promised.

i too was with teksavvy for years (still running strong at my parents house) and referred a bunch of friends, never had any serious issues but did have to call tek way too many times to get my line fixed. "oh we opened a ticket with bell"

well frankly i dont give a you know what, just fix my line is the point. if i wanted to deal with bell id get a bell connection, simple as that.
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EC @ 2nd Nov 03:09PM:
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the problem needs to be diagnosed and fixed by bell. that's what the $20 a month that teksavvy pays bell for. If he was with Bell, it would be the same thing happening except he would have to go through the horrible CSR's that would probably try to upgrade his plan before fixing anything. He can go to any DSL provider and he would still have to deal with bell to get the line fixed.
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CoverIt @ 2nd Nov 03:15PM:
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said by alekssavvy :

why do people keep turning blame over to bell? ya no sh$t bell dont care and are the problem. but he didnt sign up with bell, he signed up with teksavvy and it is teksavvy's responsibility to have his internet working as promised.

i too was with teksavvy for years (still running strong at my parents house) and referred a bunch of friends, never had any serious issues but did have to call tek way too many times to get my line fixed. "oh we opened a ticket with bell"

well frankly i dont give a you know what, just fix my line is the point. if i wanted to deal with bell id get a bell connection, simple as that.
Because the blame is bell. They own the lines.
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R0CKY @ 2nd Nov 03:22PM:
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said by CoverIt :

said by alekssavvy :

why do people keep turning blame over to bell? ya no sh$t bell dont care and are the problem. but he didnt sign up with bell, he signed up with teksavvy and it is teksavvy's responsibility to have his internet working as promised.

i too was with teksavvy for years (still running strong at my parents house) and referred a bunch of friends, never had any serious issues but did have to call tek way too many times to get my line fixed. "oh we opened a ticket with bell"

well frankly i dont give a you know what, just fix my line is the point. if i wanted to deal with bell id get a bell connection, simple as that.
Because the blame is bell. They own the lines.
This is the problem with these scenarios. Our Internet service isn't down in the least, so we're actually brokering the "issue-solving" on something that would otherwise legitimately be with Bell.

The system is a little ass-backward as we should be passing connectivity problems on to them but because we're the client of record we're stuck having to open the discussions for resolution, even if it technically/physically likely has "zero" to do with us. It causes a lot of confusion.

...it is really strange how this comes together actually as they do the home visits, we have to do the in-between, we do the internet access and they do the last mile connect.... throughout all of this, if phone is the underlying source and we get no income from the phone services, we should only be dealing with DSL stuff.

In any case, we've always willing to help but brokering problems we have no eyes on gets pretty difficult.

...we'll work through this I'm sure, as we always do.

Rocky
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Ian @ 2nd Nov 03:23PM:
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said by CoverIt :

said by alekssavvy :

why do people keep turning blame over to bell? ya no sh$t bell dont care and are the problem. but he didnt sign up with bell, he signed up with teksavvy and it is teksavvy's responsibility to have his internet working as promised.

i too was with teksavvy for years (still running strong at my parents house) and referred a bunch of friends, never had any serious issues but did have to call tek way too many times to get my line fixed. "oh we opened a ticket with bell"

well frankly i dont give a you know what, just fix my line is the point. if i wanted to deal with bell id get a bell connection, simple as that.
Because the blame is bell. They own the lines.
I think his point was that the OP's cheque and contract is with TekSavvy, not Bell. It is TekSavvy who is Bell's customer.

Not that I don't sympathize withe the situation of Bell screwing over resellers (and their customers) at every opportunity (probably illegally). ;-)
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R0CKY @ 2nd Nov 03:24PM:
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We don't have contracts.
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youssef @ 2nd Nov 03:28PM:
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I would like to first state that I am a Teksavvy Fan, but ..

You can't always just say this is Bell. Everyone just takes the stance that Bell is evil (which I agree with) and it must be Bells fault. Bell owns the distribution method, yes, bell is in charge of the distribution method, yes. I agree fully with everyone. But the problem is our money goes to Teksavvy who in turn pays bell for giving the line. Bell is given way too much freedom of giving crappy service, and people just chalk it up as "Bell is just being Bell again." Normally when a supplier is as crappy as Bell, the wholesaler changes suppliers. Not only is it a headache for the people that get the end product, but it is a nightmare for the wholesaler. I think the problem is both, Teksavvy and Bell, Bell for providing such crappy service and Teksavvy for allowing such crappy service that they are paying for.

Now I know most people are not going to like what I said, and are going to have many many things to say about what I said, but please think about it before you comment. If this was any other industry, Auto parts, Food, _fill in blank here_, the wholesaler would not put up with the sub-par service that they are getting and drop the provider. This is not only Bells fault, this is Teksavvy's fault by-way of allowing bell to provide this service to us. My question is why are all the wholesalers allowing Bell to get way with the crappy service that they provide?

Anyways, let the flaming begin..
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Ian @ 2nd Nov 03:28PM:
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said by R0CKY :

We don't have contracts.
Sure you do. You charge people x$ for a month at an agreed upon service level. Is that not a contract?

Not trying to split hairs. ;-) My point was that "contract" or no, it would be hoped that the people you were paying money to would do the legwork to fix unsatisfactory conditions. Which, I have every confidence that TekSavvy does....
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R0CKY @ 2nd Nov 03:33PM:
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said by Ian :

said by R0CKY :

We don't have contracts.
Sure you do. You charge people x$ for a month at an agreed upon service level. Is that not a contract?

Not trying to split hairs. ;-) My point was that "contract" or no, it would be hoped that the people you were paying money to would do the legwork to fix unsatisfactory conditions. Which, I have every confidence that TekSavvy does....
This is the problem with monopolies in Canada. They're allowed to place contracts with "Service Level Objectives" rather than "Agreements" which means if they don't deliver on the request, oh well. Best effort services are a pain but this is the internet world we live in.

We have systems and flags that have us verifying and asking for action as soon as we see inaction. We're very good a hounding for answers but some cases, depending on the geography yields better/worse results than other areas.
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Ian @ 2nd Nov 03:39PM:
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said by R0CKY :

This is the problem with monopolies in Canada. They're allowed to place contracts with "Service Level Objectives" rather than "Agreements" which means if they don't deliver on the request, oh well. Best effort services are a pain but this is the internet world we live in.

I think most TekSavvy customers lament the Bell monopoly over the last mile as well. However, it seems to me that areas like the Golden Horseshoe are population dense enough that someone ought to be able to break the Roger/Bell duopoly soon. It will take billions invested, but FTTH is something millions of us would be eager to pay for.
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dbsanfte @ 2nd Nov 03:40PM:
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And this lack of control over the last-mile is why Teksavvy is best described as a Bell reseller.
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R0CKY @ 2nd Nov 03:44PM:
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said by dbsanfte :

And this lack of control over the last-mile is why Teksavvy is best described as a Bell reseller.
??? We are indeed Local Phone resellers yes.

We've contracted Bell as the Vendor of choice (and only vendor unfortunately) to back haul the copper/fibre interconnect for each client to 151 Front in Toronto. There is no "internet" without what we do to it, so unless you're into describing a relationship from your home to the telephone pole as the "service", I'd say this is apples and oranges and does not mean resold service.
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 03:52PM:
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Yo> My question is why are all the wholesalers allowing Bell
Yo> to get away with the crappy service that they provide?


Oh please, you know why! 3rd-party ISPs depend on Bell to reach
their customers, it's that simple and this is also why i maintain my
opinion that these titles are totally inappropriate: they just fail to
describe reality and i'm no member of TekSavvy's fanclub anymore.
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R0CKY @ 2nd Nov 03:53PM:
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LOL.... I still love you bicephale, even if you don't come to the tea parties as much anymore! :)
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 04:04PM:
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Ah the good old days! Here's something i wish i could still afford sometimes!


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R0CKY @ 2nd Nov 04:12PM:
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LOL
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youssef @ 2nd Nov 04:13PM:
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Hi Bicephale,

I know that the 3rd-party ISP's depend on Bell to reach the customers. But the problem is, We pay Teksavvy for a service, who then turn around and pay with our money Bell to provide the last mile to our house. We (the customer of Teksavvy) are not involved with the transaction with Bell. Therefore, yes it might be crappy service from Bell, but it also is Teksavvy's fault. I know that Teksavvy is getting alternatives going, and I am looking forward to seeing these alternatives in action. But until Bell is out of the equation, Teksavvy will remain at fault right alongside Bell.

Now back to what you said "3'rd-party ISPs depend on Bell to reach their customers...", They depend on them, it doesn't mean that they are automatically off the hook when something goes wrong. I am saying that "the wholesalers" should be getting together and going after bell for supplying sub-par service. I am not only talking about the Throttling that bell does. I'm talking about every respect to their business practices that Bell does wrong. I'm talking about all the little "mistakes" that Bell does. I'm talking about Bell saying that there are no slots available to a Teksavvy customer and then they will "find" a spot for one of their own. ALL the little things that the customers have to put up with, simply because Bell is Bell, and Teksavvy depends on them to provide the last mile. I still say that Teksavvy is at fault by-way of Bell providing such a shitty service. Teksavvy is a wonderful company and is great by themselves, but put Bell into the equation and Bell pulls Teksavvy down the crapper with them.
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 04:18PM:
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Hummm... Sorry Youssef,

I'd like to reply properly but i'm right in the middle of a critical phase
for my next test: i've planned to reproduce the Minow experiment!...


dsl connection dropping, minoe, 2008-May-20



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youssef @ 2nd Nov 04:25PM:
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Haha Nice picture. Lets just agree to disagree. I do think that Teksavvy is a one of a kind amazing company. No disrespect to Rocky or any of the Teksavvy crew at all, except with the connection that Bell has with Teksavvy. I just hope that Rocky realizes the damage that Bell is doing to his company as many of the customers cannot distinguish the problems that they are having between Teksavvy and Bell.

Have a good night with your tinfoil and cat. :)
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 04:33PM:
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I haven't catched the neighbour's cat yet but i'm on it!


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kewlkeed @ 2nd Nov 05:25PM:
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I agree that many customers don't understand how the system works, and in the end it winds up with moronic posts like this blasting firepower where it does absolutely no good. It's like me bitching out the waitress at a restaurant because the cook burned the steak. Yeah she gave it to you, but had zilch to do with its cooking.

People can't get it through their heads how the system works, and yes it sucks that most TSI replies end up being "it's Bell's end, not ours" but that's how it is. I don't think there's really much TSI can do to make it clearer to clients sadly. So it's just a matter of having to put up with it for now.

Although I love how people come on here, scream a blue streak, yet don't post a damn thing in the direct forum or send a PM to an employee... Then magically (When their problem is fixed) they become ghosts. It's nice to get all high and mighty and huffy on here, and then quite humorous when you slink off into the corner when you eat your own words hoping nobody will notice.
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sedmonds @ 2nd Nov 06:18PM:
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said by kewlkeed :

I agree that many customers don't understand how the system works, and in the end it winds up with moronic posts like this blasting firepower where it does absolutely no good. It's like me bitching out the waitress at a restaurant because the cook burned the steak. Yeah she gave it to you, but had zilch to do with its cooking.

People can't get it through their heads how the system works, and yes it sucks that most TSI replies end up being "it's Bell's end, not ours" but that's how it is. I don't think there's really much TSI can do to make it clearer to clients sadly. So it's just a matter of having to put up with it for now.

Although I love how people come on here, scream a blue streak, yet don't post a damn thing in the direct forum or send a PM to an employee... Then magically (When their problem is fixed) they become ghosts. It's nice to get all high and mighty and huffy on here, and then quite humorous when you slink off into the corner when you eat your own words hoping nobody will notice.
Teksavvy provides a service, and takes money for doing so. It's perfectly reasonable for someone who is getting substandard service to be pissed.

You, as a customer, interface directly with your provider, they interface with their suppliers. The entire world operates in this manner. If the A/C in my car only worked 3 minutes a week, I wouldn't call Widget A/C Co. that Toyota buys from, I'd call Toyota. And if after 8 services calls my A/C still only worked 3 minutes a week, I wouldn't give a hoot if Widget A/C Co. was shipping garbage - Toyota elected to choose this part provider, and the result is a substandard car. I can love every other aspect of my car, and praise those aspects at every opportunity, but by your thinking I can't bitch about Toyota not fixing the A/C because they depend on Widget A/C Co. That's absurd.

Now, I like Teksavvy. I think they do the best they can, given the regulatory framework and options they have. The times I've called in, the Teksavvy staff have been courteous, competent, and honest with what I should expect. And I do not hesitate to recommend Teksavvy to anyone I know.

But I also understand how frustrating it is for someone not to have resolution after 7 calls and 4 tickets for the same problem. At that point, it's not unreasonable to expect that TS should follow up to make sure that the problem has been resolved, when Bell closes the ticket. Maybe TS should have a procedure for dealing with situations where someone has repeatedly had tickets closed without the problem having been resolved. Something other than investigation by Rocky or David or Rick AFTER a negative post on dslreports.

Now this is an honest question. There is clearly not a sufficient disincentive for Bell to close tickets with the problem still present, not showing up or showing up outside the schedule time for calls, and not calling at all when an end-user is told they will. What is Teksavvy doing about that? And what can end-users do about it?
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InFloW @ 2nd Nov 06:26PM:
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said by kewlkeed :

I agree that many customers don't understand how the system works, and in the end it winds up with moronic posts like this blasting firepower where it does absolutely no good. It's like me bitching out the waitress at a restaurant because the cook burned the steak. Yeah she gave it to you, but had zilch to do with its cooking.
I totally disagree with this. You pay teksavvy to provide service not bell thus the issue does fall on them.

How about we take it a step further rather than an issue being with bell how about with the connections teksavvy is provided with? So lets say Limelight has a major outage and is down for days for teksavvy. We all going to just say oh well it's not their fault. Of course not they choose their providers they provide the service then it falls on them even if they were not directly responsible.

I run a company who deals with indirect problems of other businesses and they are our problems. When our providers have issues our customers see it as a problem on our end. That's the way it should be we choose who to do business with providers and they mess up it falls on us. Why teksavvy gets a free ride on these sorts of things makes no sense to me.
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evil_gusgus @ 2nd Nov 06:33PM:
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said by InFloW :

said by kewlkeed :

I agree that many customers don't understand how the system works, and in the end it winds up with moronic posts like this blasting firepower where it does absolutely no good. It's like me bitching out the waitress at a restaurant because the cook burned the steak. Yeah she gave it to you, but had zilch to do with its cooking.
I totally disagree with this. You pay teksavvy to provide service not bell thus the issue does fall on them.

How about we take it a step further rather than an issue being with bell how about with the connections teksavvy is provided with? So lets say Limelight has a major outage and is down for days for teksavvy. We all going to just say oh well it's not their fault. Of course not they choose their providers they provide the service then it falls on them even if they were not directly responsible.

I run a company who deals with indirect problems of other businesses and they are our problems. When our providers have issues our customers see it as a problem on our end. That's the way it should be we choose who to do business with providers and they mess up it falls on us. Why teksavvy gets a free ride on these sorts of things makes no sense to me.
The problem is Bell is the only option. No Bell, no Teksavvy. Where as Teksavvy can choose between limelight, cognet, etc.
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AkFubar @ 2nd Nov 06:35PM:
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The word "blame" comes with the connotation of "cop out" in many cases. Although it may be true that the cause of a customer issue may be Bell's fault and although TSI is being honest by saying as much, the customer may and in some cases does perceive this as a "cop out" by TSI despite any good intentions by TSI in saying so.

So the issue is... does the customer need to know whose fault it really is? The answer is no, not really. The customer needs to know what the action plan is and in what time frame he can expect to see restoration of his service or the solution of any other problem. Then follow through on your commitment and ensure that the customer is informed of the progress and final resolution.

By providing too much information, you very often open yourself up to trouble like this. Provide only the facts that the customer needs and really wants to know. In this way the customer will be satisfied that his issue is getting the attention he feels it deserves. :)
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InFloW @ 2nd Nov 06:57PM:
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said by evil_gusgus :

The problem is Bell is the only option. No Bell, no Teksavvy. Where as Teksavvy can choose between limelight, cognet, etc.
That still is not the customers problem. That is teksavvy's problem that they have to use Bell. You can say it falls on Bell all you want but at the end of the day the customer is paying teksavvy not bell so they have to complain to them. Then the buck is passed onto Bell and in this case has been multiple times. So the user comes here complaining saying you know what it's Bell but Teksavvy should be putting more pressure on resolution to this issue and they're not. People will post that this is all unwarranted and teksavvy deserves no criticism over this issue. It almost feels like one of those blind support for an operating system saying they have no faults.
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kewlkeed @ 2nd Nov 07:33PM:
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And if the customer is THAT picky about where their money goes, then they should read that nice thing called the SLA and I'm quite sure it indicates the situations where it falls into a crack where TSI is powerless against Bell or whoever, and then it's the client's decision to either save a couple bucks with TSI, but understand what can happen with Bell, or take their money somewhere else.

In the end it's still a case of someone complaining about something they know fully well (Or if they did any of their due diligence should know well).

I know Bell is a pain in the ass, I know TSI can't do anything about it... But my money still talks and I still take it to TSI because while I know they may be powerless on a couple things, their overall service is miles ahead of what anyone else's is. At least TSI bothers to tell you where the issue is... Think Bell would tell you that?

TSI could raise their price 20$ a month and it's still worth the quality of service.
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vintagewino @ 2nd Nov 07:49PM:
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said by InFloW :

That still is not the customers problem. That is teksavvy's problem that they have to use Bell. You can say it falls on Bell all you want but at the end of the day the customer is paying teksavvy not bell so they have to complain to them. Then the buck is passed onto Bell and in this case has been multiple times. So the user comes here complaining saying you know what it's Bell but Teksavvy should be putting more pressure on resolution to this issue and they're not. People will post that this is all unwarranted and teksavvy deserves no criticism over this issue. It almost feels like one of those blind support for an operating system saying they have no faults.


For the sake of argument, let's stay generic.

The end user gets makes an agreement with an ISP to supply their internet.

When the end user has a problem, their first and last stop is with the ISP they get their internet from. It is that ISP's responsibility to render repairs to make end user happy. if it means to contact the backhaul provider, so be it.

The end user is NOT the backhauler's customer, customer, the ISP is. The backhaul provider is fully in their rights to really not talk to you, as you are not their customer.

Most definitely, the backhaul provider in this instance is an arrogant, royal P.I.T.A. But it is our ISP whose end job is to make us happy - the fact that 2/3 of the money we pay our ISP provider goes to the backhaul provider is a non-issue. :(

In my case, TSI has hounded Bell to get my problem cleaned up. Over 20 tickets in 7 months. The problem is semi-resolved, but to do the REAL fix will cost Bell thousands of $$$. No matter who else I go to, would things have gotten this far? I fear not.
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anon @ 2nd Nov 09:13PM:
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As many here suggest that Tek owes them perfect service, regardless of the intermediaries they have to unfortunately deal with, it would seem like Tek should fire such unprofitable customers, just like they'd fire a bad employee.

Let them waste some other company's tech support time (and not get nearly as far), or better yet, start charging per call once people use up their allotted free tech support time.

People are expecting Ferrari service at Kia prices, but Tek only provides Lexus service at GM prices.

I don't believe people actually would yell at the poor waitress.
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pnjunction @ 2nd Nov 09:34PM:
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said by kewlkeed :

Although I love how people come on here, scream a blue streak, yet don't post a damn thing in the direct forum or send a PM to an employee... Then magically (When their problem is fixed) they become ghosts. It's nice to get all high and mighty and huffy on here, and then quite humorous when you slink off into the corner when you eat your own words hoping nobody will notice.
This is the part that gets old to me.

For a better restaurant analogy, it's like instead of complaining to the head waiter or management about a bad meal or service (direct forum), they just march out onto the streets and start not only shouting but putting up signs about terrible things are.

Then the management sees the commotion and bends over to fix it for them. But they never come back outside to shout out how everything was fixed, instead they leave all the signs up and sneak out the back entrance.
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anon @ 2nd Nov 11:43PM:
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said by InFloW :

You can say it falls on Bell all you want but at the end of the day the customer is paying teksavvy............
TSI stepped into this business with their eyes open and if they didn't they shouldn't be in business.
Their business model is based on the whim of Bell and the CRTC flunkies that they control.
I have been competing with Bell since TSI was a twinkle in Rocky's eye and they have done things that have almost put me out of business several times.
In the end I don't venture into what would be a very lucrative interconnect and CPE sales as I have no control over aspects of certain hardware.
TSI may have no control over Bell but it appears that Caneris has an innovative approach in using in house techs to suppliment loop issue diagnostics.
This may not be feasible given the TSI footprint but there are regions that this would be a definite asset.
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shopkins @ 2nd Nov 09:37PM:
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said by pnjunction :

For a better restaurant analogy, it's like instead of complaining to the head waiter or management about a bad meal or service (direct forum), they just march out onto the streets and start not only shouting but putting up signs about terrible things are.

Then the management sees the commotion and bends over to fix it for them. But they never come back outside to shout out how everything was fixed, instead they leave all the signs up and sneak out the back entrance.
I respect people's rights to having an opinion, but it is a bit cowardly of the OP to post a few times complaining about something and then not following up.
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justsomeguy @ 2nd Nov 09:51PM:
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said by shopkins :

said by pnjunction :

For a better restaurant analogy, it's like instead of complaining to the head waiter or management about a bad meal or service (direct forum), they just march out onto the streets and start not only shouting but putting up signs about terrible things are.

Then the management sees the commotion and bends over to fix it for them. But they never come back outside to shout out how everything was fixed, instead they leave all the signs up and sneak out the back entrance.
I respect people's rights to having an opinion, but it is a bit cowardly of the OP to post a few times complaining about something and then not following up.
why does he have to follow up?
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dbsanfte @ 2nd Nov 11:13PM:
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How about we admit the real issue here -- if Bell decides to screw with you, all TSI can do is ask them to stop.

For lots of people, you want the person you're giving your money to to be in complete control of the service you're getting. And with all the Bell resellers, that isn't the case.
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anon @ 2nd Nov 11:37PM:
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said by shopkins :

I respect people's rights to having an opinion, but it is a bit cowardly of the OP to post a few times complaining about something and then not following up.
Why should he? he basically got treated like the Bell employee's used to treat anyone who complained in the Bell forum 3 years ago.

He said what he said. He said what he felt, and he is paying TSI for a service not rendered. Why pay?

3 pages of fanboyism.

TSI should have at least told the guy he didn't have to pay after the 2nd week of service failure.

Seriously, try and convince me there is no TSI fault here while all of you fanboys point the finger at Bell while TSI takes his money.

One guy said he should put it in the direct forum. Why? He called and this is what happened. Why hide it? What is there to hide?

This thing is the exact scenario why people leave Bell. I didn't see him mention that TSI cooled him off by not taking his 40$ for no service. Did you?

WHAT has TSI done? What great service was rendered that makes them stand out? Feel free to tell me.

He stated what he stated and he is attacked, just like all the others who have any type of complaint in this forum.

Better yet, let Rocky himself answer.

This is a TSI quality problem.

I like what they do and stand for, don't get me wrong. But I don't see the quality or the great service that people talk about.

What great customer service is there? Raise my profile? Do you call them once a week to say hi?

When there is a problem what outstanding service is there? I seriously want to know. When a problem occurs there is no great customer service. It's the same old.

Love the CRTC filings, and it takes away time from business, so maybe TSI needs someone just to address quality and these issues. If not I see them heading down the Acanac/Bell path (as they are starting to). Low quality unless the owner himself takes care of the situation. This is not a way to run.

eh anyhow, these complaints are increasing. Get used to it and stop attacking and putting all the blame on Bell and the person who expresses him/her self. People pay TSI. If they can't deliver they shouldn't be paid (just like Bell), and they should admit this and do this.
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 11:44PM:
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I'm no fanboy here and i say the title could as well have been:

DSL...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

End of story.
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pnjunction @ 2nd Nov 11:49PM:
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Teksavvy still has to pay Bell no matter how badly they screw things up. Why should Teksavvy still have to pay Bell? That's why the customer still has to pay, Bell gets $20+ no matter how badly they screw things up.

He can rant and rave here all he wants, but the direct forum is the place to post to actually solve the problem.

I didn't attack, I just think it's a bit rude to go nuts and then disappear when clearly they've most likely resolved his issue. Like I said, it's like protesting outside in front of a restaurant then they fix your meal and you sneak out the back.

But hey I get it, most people take to complaining much easier than giving any type of praise these days.
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pnjunction @ 2nd Nov 11:55PM:
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I think it's just different attitudes:

Attitude #1:
"I've been having persistent troubles. Help!"
then it's fixed and
"Great it's fixed!"

Attitude #2:
"Waah! It's broken! Big disappointment! Huge let down! Waah!"
then it's fixed and
*walks away sniffling in silence*

People can act however they want but guess which people are more pleasant and likeable?
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Bicephale @ 2nd Nov 11:56PM:
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PNJ> ...Bell gets $20+ no matter how badly they screw things up...

I believe everyone, especially those who come to TekSavvy, are
aware of it but they just won't face it when they loose their bet.


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anon @ 3rd Nov 12:13AM:
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said by Bicephale :

DSL...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

End of story.
+1

...and that's exactly what it is. DSL from anyone is unreliable, up & down, yet they steal your money for lousy service.

How does this company stand out? They don't for me. It's all fanboyism (smoke & mirrors), unless the owners step in, exactly like Acanac. This is not a quality service. Far from it.

@pnjunction
No, they don't *have* to pay Bell in this situation (lets not get into credits). There is a mechanism for service failure with Bell. I know this, they know this, and now you know this.

TSI can apply for a credit for this person and not lose, except for time. This is their business. This is their risk in the business. Lets not pretend they can't tell Bell service was not rendered. that is pure crap. They do get credited. Don't be naive.

Also, he didn't rant, rave or go nuts. He stated what he is going through with the company he *pays*.
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X_wave @ 3rd Nov 12:14AM:
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I think I speak for my self and a few others who thought about the switch but just got scared away from it. Sounds like it's all fine and dandy if your service is working but once you hit a road bump your going to be passed around from 1 isp to another and dare you suggest the isp your paying your deposit to is at fault.
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TSI Jason @ 3rd Nov 12:39AM:
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We have very few issues like this, most of them get sent to rick if its not solved after the first ticket or 48 hours and we escalate to have it resolved ASAP.

In this case I'm unsure of what happened to prolong it such a long time, but we're more than willing to proactively work at it. If the OP would PM myself, David, Rick, or make a Teksavvy Direct forum post we can look into the issue further.

[Edit] I'm unsure if the OP has contacted Rick/David, but I'm making sure to keep the avenue of communication open.

This is certainly not normal and we take all instances of issues lasting this long seriously as we try and provide the best services possible.

Regards,

Jason
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KrK @ 3rd Nov 02:24AM:
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So, if I read this right, you're experiencing an issue with Bell providing you a solid DSL line, but are blaming Teksavvy. That's ok. Teksavvy is as much the victim as you are. Looks like you may have to switch to Bell. Then of course suddenly you'll get a good DSL line.

Good luck.
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KrK @ 3rd Nov 02:28AM:
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And again, your problem is nothing Teksavvy can directly control. The guilty party is Bell. Sure, you're the customer, and the customer is always right. Even when they are wrong.
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R0CKY @ 3rd Nov 07:32AM:
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Guess in the end, this is where I was getting at.

There are two providers at play in all of this.

1 - Bell Home Phone

2 - TSI Internet

Technically, TekSavvy is providing the internet but due to low quality results, the customer calls TekSavvy to figure things out. From there TekSavvy calls Bell's wholesale tech wing to open a ticket, which them makes it to the Bell dispatch, who instantly looks at the home phone quality.

This is a circular problem as the underlying problem is Bell's Home Phone line quality but voice signal works, even if it is minutely affected by the line signal. In the same breath, the line quality affects the DSL signal greatly, so people see the results. You can quantify the results in DSL but not voice... as a result, we get the finger pointed at us for "home phone" problems.

We make it our responsibility to help with this as we don't want collateral damage (cancellations) as a result of sub-par phone service quality.

So, as some earlier described, this becomes a lose-lose for TSI as we incur the HR costs (and sometimes blame) to deal with non-TSI problems.
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justsomeguy @ 3rd Nov 09:22AM:
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said by TSI Jason :

We have very few issues like this, most of them get sent to rick if its not solved after the first ticket or 48 hours and we escalate to have it resolved ASAP.

In this case I'm unsure of what happened to prolong it such a long time, but we're more than willing to proactively work at it. If the OP would PM myself, David, Rick, or make a Teksavvy Direct forum post we can look into the issue further.

[Edit] I'm unsure if the OP has contacted Rick/David, but I'm making sure to keep the avenue of communication open.

This is certainly not normal and we take all instances of issues lasting this long seriously as we try and provide the best services possible.

Regards,

Jason
So was this guy lying about all the calls and bell tickets open?

Because if he called as many times as he said and had 4 bell tickets open in the past week you shouldnt need him to PM you anything, it should be pretty easy to figure out who it is and work on his problem?

Or is teksavvy so big now that someone can call in 7-8 times and have a bunch of tickets open its impossible to trace?
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pnjunction @ 3rd Nov 09:29AM:
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said by anyhow :

...and that's exactly what it is. DSL from anyone is unreliable, up & down, yet they steal your money for lousy service.

How does this company stand out? They don't for me. It's all fanboyism (smoke & mirrors), unless the owners step in, exactly like Acanac. This is not a quality service. Far from it.

@pnjunction
No, they don't *have* to pay Bell in this situation (lets not get into credits). There is a mechanism for service failure with Bell. I know this, they know this, and now you know this.

TSI can apply for a credit for this person and not lose, except for time. This is their business. This is their risk in the business. Lets not pretend they can't tell Bell service was not rendered. that is pure crap. They do get credited. Don't be naive.
My service has been great, within it's limits that I knew about (5mbps). It works well for 90+% of people who don't have these kind of issues. 93% satisfaction vs 70% for Videotron. Unless you are accusing Teksavvy of padding its reviews?

This the first I've heard of any credits, so call me naive. Somehow I don't think it's as easy to get a credit as anon troll @ videotron.ca would like me to believe.
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El Quintron @ 3rd Nov 09:29AM:
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Is much as there's some sour grapes from some anonymous posters, the fact is that sometimes in an institution with multiple variables, these things take time.

I had a similar problem with Primus in 2006, and it took them three weeks, with daily calls, before they even decided to send out a truck roll.

Kudos to them, the problem was solved on the first truck roll but they took their sweet time.

I switched to Acanac, who had mostly reliable service aside from sending me a modem I didn't need but another friend I referred to Acanac had a similar issue and it took them about a week to get a truck roll out there.

What might be a solution to consider, as I've dealt with these issues accross several providers, with no one performing all that well in any of the cases, would be to set up a system where the caller calls in to report static/sync/line problem.

When the caller follows up, the tech is immediately aware of this; tells the caller they will follow up with Bhellus, and reports back to the client.
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AkFubar @ 3rd Nov 09:35AM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

said by justsomeguy :

said by TSI Jason :

We have very few issues like this, most of them get sent to rick if its not solved after the first ticket or 48 hours and we escalate to have it resolved ASAP.

In this case I'm unsure of what happened to prolong it such a long time, but we're more than willing to proactively work at it. If the OP would PM myself, David, Rick, or make a Teksavvy Direct forum post we can look into the issue further.

[Edit] I'm unsure if the OP has contacted Rick/David, but I'm making sure to keep the avenue of communication open.

This is certainly not normal and we take all instances of issues lasting this long seriously as we try and provide the best services possible.

Regards,

Jason
So was this guy lying about all the calls and bell tickets open?

Because if he called as many times as he said and had 4 bell tickets open in the past week you shouldnt need him to PM you anything, it should be pretty easy to figure out who it is and work on his problem?

Or is teksavvy so big now that someone can call in 7-8 times and have a bunch of tickets open its impossible to trace?
Relax. It has already been posted in these threads that TSI has had to open 4 tickets or more in some cases when dealing with BellER for other customers. justsomeguy, if you think that's wrong, tell your supervisor at BellER to get on the stick and get his finger out.
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pegcitynet @ 3rd Nov 11:58AM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

I agree, I call BS. My personal experience with TekSavvy customer service has been fantastic. They've even callled me back just to check to make sure everything is working a day or two after a ticket is resolved!
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Guspaz @ 3rd Nov 12:36PM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

Never underestimate how much of a runaround Bell can give you. Ask Rick some time about my initial installation, and how many weeks it took. My DSL installation (for my original line) was eventually converted into a repair to try to speed up the process.

Of course, getting the second line installed took weeks and multiple Bell visits too...
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shopkins @ 3rd Nov 10:21PM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

I dunno. His only posts ever on this site were the complaints here. Just as easy to jump in as an anon user and make some claims or rant about someone. And then run away.

Did he respond to the TSI guys ? They have been stand up guys anytime I have dealt with them.

Posting in the direct forum is also effective and I have used it in the past. Hard to argue with posted evidence of what is going on instead of he said/she said.
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Sunfox @ 5th Nov 01:03AM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

I had plenty of problems with my line when I first got DSL this summer... for some bizarre reason Bell was more than happy to keep sending out techs. I think I had 3 DSL techs through TSI and 2 voice techs through 611, who would fiddle with things but not fix the issue. Eventually I hit a good tech, he found and corrected the issue, but left things a bit of a mess... so I complained directly to Bell and had everything corrected the same day .

Now everything's great - currently tracking 58 days DSL link uptime.
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oxfordwhite @ 5th Nov 03:11PM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

I agree.

I have my house running on the 2nd pair fpr almost 11 years before I got a second DSL line for the first pair. There was severe twisting in the underround cable below the driveway that cancelled out most any service on the 1st pair.

After many calls to tsi (who stood by me againt bell) to resolve this. Bell was supposed to call me on 4 different ocasions from various call/tech centers.. even when TSI held the line with me waiuting for that center to drop a tech on the phone bell didnt. Bell also claimed they called me and got no answer.

Anyway.. new wire trenched to the house. Some new top of the line cable with 3 pairs now. Things were a lot better.... we could even have voice now on the 1st pair!
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lightrush @ 6th Nov 10:14AM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

My friend, in this world NOTHING is guaranteed even if you work/pay for it. Not a service, not a job, not money... not anything. If you succeed to realize that you will feel a lot less frustrated about certain things in life ;) .
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anon @ 10th Nov 07:40PM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

Lightrush, this is singlehandedly, the BESt reply to ANYTHING I've ever seen on any forum since the history of ever.

I almost want to get this tattooed on me.
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dazium @ 11th Nov 11:12AM:
Re: Teksavvy...Huge let down!! Very disappointed...!

+1

People have to realize that Teksavvy, rents the lines from BELL. when there is sync issues, the only thing TSI can do is request that BELL look at the line. It is up the bell tech to decide what needs to be done on the line, some techs are good and some not.

if your pissed off that TSI is acutally working with bell to fix your line., then find another provider who will, work even harder then TSI have better rates, a higher cap, and better customer service.

why dont you give BELL a try, and use the exact same line your using now, with the same service, only more expensive, contracted low caps.... i could go on but i wont
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