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xxTRAGEDYxx @ 2nd Nov 03:50PM:
IOBit Steals Malwarebytes Intellectual Property
I saw this on twitter via @Malwarebytes.
Malwarebytes has recently uncovered evidence that a company called IOBit based in China is stealing and incorporating our proprietary database and intellectual property into their software. We know this will sound hard to believe, because it was hard for us to believe at first too. But after an indepth investigation, we became convinced it was true. Here is how we know.
We came across a post on the IOBit forums that showed IOBit Security 360 flagging a specific key generator for our Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware software using the exact naming scheme we use to flag such keygens: Don't.Steal.Our.Software.A.
Dont.Steal.Our.Software.A, File, G:\Nothing Much\Anti-Spyware\Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware v1.39\Key_Generator.exe, 9-30501
Why would IOBit detect a keygen for our software and refer to it using our database name? We quickly became suspicious. Either the forum post was fraudulent or IOBit was stealing our database.
So we dug further. We accumulated more similar evidence for other detections, and we soon became convinced that this was not a mistake, it was not a coincidence, it was not an isolated event, and it persisted presently in their current database. They are using both our database and our database format exactly.
The final confirmation of IOBit's theft occurred when we added fake definitions to our database for a fake rogue application we called Rogue.AVCleanSweepPro. This "malware" does not actually exist: we made it up. We even manufactured fake files to match the fake definitions. Within two weeks IOBit was detecting these fake files under almost exactly these fake names.
We can't publicly show all the evidence we found, because it is still our intellectual property: proprietary information about our database internals. But we don't want you to have to take our word for it either, so we found a way to show you an example illustrating an indisputable pattern of theft.
Consider the file, "dummy.exe". It is a harmless dummy executable that runs, displays a "Hello World" message box, and exits. You can see from third-party scans on VirusTotal, that no other security vendor flags this executable as malicious or even suspicious.
We created this dummy executable, then manipulated it slightly so that it matches one of the signatures in our database. We emphasize that it is still not malicious! -- the signature is perfectly benign, when not in the context of actual malware, as you can see from the VirusTotal results.
We scanned the file with our own Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware software and indeed it was flagged as "Don't.Steal.Our.Software.A". We scanned it with IOBit using their current build and database version and it was flagged as the same "Don't.Steal.Our.Software.A". We have included their log file and a screenshot of the detection. You can verify by yourself using the dummy executable and their most recent database.
We have attached two other such dummy executables to this post, so you can see for yourself. One of them, "rogue.exe", matches our fake Rogue.AVCleanSweepPro (screenshot) definition, the other "fake.exe", matches an Adware.NaviPromo definition (screenshot). VirusTotal results for "fake.exe" and "rogue.exe" so you can see they are benign. You can see a screenshot of our detections here.
During the course of our investigation, we uncovered additional evidence that IOBit may have stolen the proprietary databases of other security vendors as well. We are in the process of contacting these vendors.
Malwarebytes intends to pursue legal action against IOBit. We demand IOBit immediately remove all traces of Malwarebytes' proprietary research and database from their software. We also demand IOBit be delisted from Download.com due to Terms of Service violations. This is criminal: it is theft, it is fraud, and we will not stand for it.
What can you do to help? If you feel the same way we do about this theft, we encourage you to send an email to hosting services such as Download.com and Majorgeeks.com requesting that all IOBit software be removed.
»www.malwarebytes.org/forums/inde···ic=29681
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ZZZZZZZ @ 2nd Nov 04:03PM:
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This is pretty pathetic considering it's not even a good program.
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doppler @ 2nd Nov 04:12PM:
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Good luck in getting results.
China:
A land where you can get "Garden" a $4 copy of Windows XP.
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DarkSithPro @ 2nd Nov 04:28PM:
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Someone needs to get this Slashdoted :)
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De Hollander @ 2nd Nov 04:29PM:
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Taking a shortcut, which turns out to be the wrong way :D :D
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ZZZZZZZ @ 2nd Nov 04:39PM:
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Wilders is already saying that the IObit mods have started to delete threads about this.........lol
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Blackbird @ 2nd Nov 05:45PM:
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Hmm. Why is it so hard to believe? Piracy exists all over the place in one form or another, mainly because the pirates believe they can get away with it. All too often, they can! And this may prove to be no exception. ;)
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DarkSithPro @ 2nd Nov 06:05PM:
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Good job Mcafee: Red flagged!
»www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iobit.com
"Rating: Phishing or other scams
IOBit has been accused of stealing the MalwareBytes database. And they appear to have ample evidence to prove it.
»www.malwarebytes.org/forums/inde···c=29681"
Not yet for Norton Safe web:
»safeweb.norton.com/report/show?u···&x=0&y=0
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xxTRAGEDYxx @ 2nd Nov 06:55PM:
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I didn't say that. That was from the Malwarebytes forums post. Anyhow, I agree that anyone can be taken advantage of nowadays.
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siljaline @ 2nd Nov 08:06PM:
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Unless already cited:
»malwarebytes.besttechie.net/2009···roperty/
Edit to add:
»goretsky.spaces.live.com/blog/cn···24.entry
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anon @ 2nd Nov 08:46PM:
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anon @ 3rd Nov 08:36AM:
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is iobit taken by AVG?
»www.iobit.com/avg-com.html
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rcdailey @ 3rd Nov 10:13AM:
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That looks like the reverse, that IOBit is offering (as a vendor of sorts) version 8 of AVG. Since AVG is up to version 9, that doesn't look all that current.
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jabarnut @ 3rd Nov 10:17AM:
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Interesting "Declaration from IObit":
They "need your support and attention" :D
Some of the followup comments are pretty good too...(Until they get deleted).
»blog.iobit.com/archives/95.html
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La Luna @ 3rd Nov 10:44AM:
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FWIW, I get a big warning from WOT when I go to that link.
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Ryan @ 3rd Nov 10:50AM:
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Yea I will believe IOBit over malwarebytes :uhh:
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jabarnut @ 3rd Nov 10:54AM:
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Agreed...(and sarcasm noted). ;)
It's also interesting to note that the Blog has already changed since I first looked at it.
They're still in the process of adding more "proof" that no "Intellectual Property" was stolen, as I type this.
(Edit) Or, to put it another way...they're still panicking. :D
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Doctor Four @ 3rd Nov 11:09AM:
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Next thing you know they will get shills to post here and at Malwarebytes trying to defend their software as legitimate.
It's a common pattern; one which is seen all the time in the Spam, Scam and Phishbusters forum.
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rawwhide @ 3rd Nov 11:15AM:
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Download.com/Cnet still has their software up. This isn't any different than say reading a website and then paraphrasing on your own website. I can't believe that none of these malware detection companies do not look at and use parts, pieces, or even whole segments of competitors definition database. Eventually all malware companies have definitions that are identical or almost identical and detect the same malware. Why is that?
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Blue2 @ 3rd Nov 11:53AM:
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said by Doctor Four :
Next thing you know they will get shills to post here and at Malwarebytes trying to defend their software as legitimate.
Disinformation has been around for a long time and it isn't likely to stop. Don't be surprised by anything, including attempts to "defend" by attempting to discredit Malwarebytes. (That's a reason why complete anonymity on the internet isn't always a good thing. It can also provide the opportunity for drive-by defamation and character assassination.)
Setting up a fake dummy file to catch them displaying the same fake file was a good strategy. I just hope that now that the cat is out of the bag, they've already collected sufficient proof from a legal standpoint. Contacting an attorney promptly is undoubtedly the best step rather than a simple public uprising.
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anon @ 3rd Nov 12:03PM:
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...rather than a simple public uprising.
well this simple member of the public just removed Smart Defrag in protest
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joako @ 3rd Nov 01:07PM:
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Am I the only person that is bothered by key generators and cracks that don't do any harm to the computer, don't spread any virus/trojan but are still flagged by antivirus software? Even some software to extract the Windows product key is sometimes flagged!
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Ryan @ 3rd Nov 01:09PM:
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said by joako :
Am I the only person that is bothered by key generators and cracks that don't do any harm to the computer, don't spread any virus/trojan but are still flagged by antivirus software? Even some software to extract the Windows product key is sometimes flagged!
Yes. If they want to protect their own software then let them...
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MADx @ 3rd Nov 01:28PM:
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Funny just the other day WOT had Iobit in the green and McAffe siteadvisor had it in the red, and people was complaining to McAffe about how Iobit was such great software and should not be in the red. Now WOT has in the yellow. News travel fast on the web. Iobit had me fooled, but I notice while using their Advance System Care that some parts of it look similar to CCleaner, Hijack This, and SpywareBlaster. I was using Iobit Game booster and Smart Defrag, but I switch back to Defraggler, CCleaner, and BlackViper's website to free up memory by turning off unnecessary services. I didn't know Iobit originated from China, that alone would of set off my alarms.
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ptrowski @ 3rd Nov 02:13PM:
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said by Doctor Four :
Next thing you know they will get shills to post here and at Malwarebytes trying to defend their software as legitimate.
It's a common pattern; one which is seen all the time in the Spam, Scam and Phishbusters forum.
After reading through the forums there I am surprised they have not shown up here en masse.
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ZZZZZZZ @ 3rd Nov 02:26PM:
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»www.iobit.com/avg-com.html
This alone tells me everything I want to know about IObit,shelling for 1 of the worst anti-virus programs,you can ever install.
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joako @ 3rd Nov 02:58PM:
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said by Ryan :said by joako :
Am I the only person that is bothered by key generators and cracks that don't do any harm to the computer, don't spread any virus/trojan but are still flagged by antivirus software? Even some software to extract the Windows product key is sometimes flagged!
Yes. If they want to protect their own software then let them...
It does not instill trust in any way. If a program is only "malicious" because it potentially harms the security software vendor's revenue stream (and Ok you installed your pirated antivirus HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET UPDATES... or are they saying their system was so weak no only could other vendors steal their definitions they can't even restrict their definition updates to active subscribers?).
Look, I am not saying I am for software piracy but what is the point of Anti* software? To detect * from my computer, nothing more. If I wanted MalwareBytes AntiKeyGenWare I would have bought that product, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would actually go out of their way to buy that sort of product.
What is next, will Anti* software start flagging competitors software? Terrorism is a threat to everyone, shouldn't Anti-* software mark alqaeda.com as a "Tojan" or something like that? Even if it doesn't, that website might be "harmful"
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james @ 3rd Nov 03:52PM:
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Booohooo, our company flags keygens as viruses, in essence lying to our customers, and another company is stealing our definitions for these keygens and flagging them too.
The second I found out my av software was flagging things other than viruses/spyware I removed it from my system and demanded a refund and got it. I really don't care about their reasons, I value my privacy and they've proven they can't be trusted.
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rawwhide @ 3rd Nov 05:53PM:
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said by joako :said by Ryan :said by joako :
Am I the only person that is bothered by key generators and cracks that don't do any harm to the computer, don't spread any virus/trojan but are still flagged by antivirus software? Even some software to extract the Windows product key is sometimes flagged!
Yes. If they want to protect their own software then let them...
It does not instill trust in any way. If a program is only "malicious" because it potentially harms the security software vendor's revenue stream (and Ok you installed your pirated antivirus HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET UPDATES... or are they saying their system was so weak no only could other vendors steal their definitions they can't even restrict their definition updates to active subscribers?).
Look, I am not saying I am for software piracy but what is the point of Anti* software? To detect * from my computer, nothing more. If I wanted MalwareBytes AntiKeyGenWare I would have bought that product, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would actually go out of their way to buy that sort of product.
What is next, will Anti* software start flagging competitors software? Terrorism is a threat to everyone, shouldn't Anti-* software mark alqaeda.com as a "Tojan" or something like that? Even if it doesn't, that website might be "harmful"
The more they can detect then more they can claim to be better than the next guy in town. So they claim harmless programs as evil in order to make money. It's all about the bottom line.
p.s. and no you are not alone.
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David @ 3rd Nov 06:15PM:
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I use their smart defrag, I wonder where they stole it from?
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KrK @ 3rd Nov 06:42PM:
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The solution it to put keys in the database that make the IObits program detect itself and self destruct. :D
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Laughing Man @ 4th Nov 12:26AM:
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I had no idea about IOBit until I just happened upon this thread in the ticker, looks like I'll be reading the security thread more often while I get rid of IOBit.
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jpav @ 4th Nov 12:42AM:
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I am a solid IObit fans, don't believe they need to copy a competitor's work as they have all the necessary expertise at their own fingertips.
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Kayrac @ 4th Nov 12:51AM:
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said by jpav :
I am a solid IObit fans, don't believe they need to copy a competitor's work as they have all the necessary expertise at their own fingertips.
you also have 1 post, and registered at EARLIEST, 50minutes ago :)
credibility is not in your favor
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hayc59 @ 4th Nov 01:03AM:
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said by jpav :
I am a solid IObit fans, don't believe they need to copy a competitor's work as they have all the necessary expertise at their own fingertips.
ahh, yes and I believe you completely....LOL
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Blue2 @ 4th Nov 04:40AM:
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said by jpav :
I am a solid IObit fans, don't believe they need to copy a competitor's work as they have all the necessary expertise at their own fingertips.
If the allegations are true (and there's little reason to doubt Malwarebytes), you mean they have all the necessary expertise at IN their own fingertips.
In the '60s when shoplifting was for many an act of anti-establishment rebellion, we politely called it a "five finger discount". I guess you'd now call this "five finger marketing".
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TheJoker @ 4th Nov 05:49AM:
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In addition, they earlier included Trend Micro's HijackThis without authorization, and produced a log that was labeled as their own, so using code from another vendor without authorization is a pattern for them.
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redwolfe_98 @ 4th Nov 06:16AM:
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i thought "iobit" had a good explanation and i don't believe that they are stealing malwarebytes' malware-definitions..
how would people get the dummy-files in the first place unless malwarebytes provided them to the person who had them?
maybe malwarebytes methodology was flawed, and fit with iobit's explanation:
someone ie malwarebytes submitted files to iobit; iobit adds definitions for the files; then, malwarebytes claims that iobit is flagging their dummy files and, so, concludes that iobit is stealing their malware-definitions, because iobit is flagging the dummy-files that malwarebytes submitted to them?
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TheJoker @ 4th Nov 06:25AM:
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Did they have a good explanation for previously using HijackThis without authorization and labeling the log Logfile of IObit HijackScan v1.0.0.0? in addition to taking other people's work, the program is just plain bad. I've been helping people that had problems that suddenly went away as soon as their software was removed.
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Cudni @ 4th Nov 07:17AM:
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said by redwolfe_98 :
someone ie malwarebytes submitted files to iobit; iobit adds definitions for the files;
before adding submitted files should they not be analysed first to establish whether malicious or not?
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jabarnut @ 4th Nov 07:48AM:
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I noticed IOBit's Bolg (which I posted a link to yesterday), has changed significantly again today. (Seems it changes every time they can collectively come up with a new explanation).
After reading much of the thread in the Malwarebytes Forum, there is little doubt in my mind that the accusations are true.
What I'm seeing in IOBit's 'Declaration' looks like a pretty poor attempt at damage control...somehow I don't think it will work too well at this point.
I also just noticed that all of the comments at the end of the IOBit Declaration magically disappeared, and "Comments are closed" now...the majority of which were "anti-IOBit", and/or customers wanting to know what the heck was going on with this company, and demanding a satisfactory explanation.
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jakeydsl @ 4th Nov 08:29AM:
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said by rawwhide :
Download.com/Cnet still has their software up.
They also have an article up now...
»news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10389650-245.html
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Graycode @ 4th Nov 11:04AM:
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The saga continues in a new thread from MalwareBytes. It presents a few more details and more samples duplicated by IoBit's definitions.
»www.malwarebytes.org/forums/inde···ic=29772
This part is interesting, though not surprising:
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Second, and far more importantly, if IObit has stolen not only our database but also the databases of other security vendors, as we strongly suspect they have, then of course their database would be larger. We have presented evidence of theft to other security vendors, although we will leave it to them to disclose information to the public.
I wonder if other security vendors will publicly confirm or deny whether IoBit has been stealing their work. Most may choose to distance themselves from the issues.
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rawwhide @ 4th Nov 11:17AM:
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interesting....
"Unfortunately, IObit database analyzer carelessly used the names provided by the submission. This mistake can be understood because it is very normal--Many enthusiastic IObit users find there are samples missed by IObit Security 360 but detected by other anti-malware products, then they would submit these samples to us and provide names defined by other anti-malware vendors."
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zteardrop @ 4th Nov 11:20AM:
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Malwarebytes should think of this as they having opened a new office in China. Same great product.. for a fraction of the price. :p
Intellectual property rights in China doesn't exist.
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SafireDonkey @ 4th Nov 11:33AM:
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said by redwolfe_98 :
i thought "iobit" had a good explanation and i don't believe that they are stealing malwarebytes' malware-definitions..
how would people get the dummy-files in the first place unless malwarebytes provided them to the person who had them?
maybe malwarebytes methodology was flawed, and fit with iobit's explanation:
someone ie malwarebytes submitted files to iobit; iobit adds definitions for the files; then, malwarebytes claims that iobit is flagging their dummy files and, so, concludes that iobit is stealing their malware-definitions, because iobit is flagging the dummy-files that malwarebytes submitted to them?
You seem to be missing the point here. MalwareBytes didn't provide anyone any dummy file because they simply didn't exist untill malwarebytes found out about the duplicated detection bases. As soon as MB found out, they created an .exe file which would trigger the detection. So the cheaptalk about someone must have submitted blahblah doesn't make sense to start with, since at the time there was no dummy to "submit to us", it was only created when MalwareBytes had the clear evidence at hand, being the detection base from IObit (well lets call it theirs anyway) and the screenshots they took from IObit flagging their just created dummy perfectly as malwarebytes wanted it to show up. Malwarebytes can now create as much dummies for as much fake "nasties" as they want, what will the result be for the end-user ? Are we going to start downloading multiply MB's of detections containing 50% of fake ones for the sake of so-called security-companies stealing from and trashing each other ?
Lets get back the the AV way of making us believe any No-CD patch for big selling games is infected with any random virus they tell us, we're being manipulated since a long time, not for our security but for commercialism.
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jabarnut @ 4th Nov 11:36AM:
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IOBit has a new "Accusation Thread - Dispute" section in their Forums now.
For the most part, it looks pretty out of control over there. (Some of it reminds me of a mutiny at sea).
»forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?t=4802
Sure makes for some interesting reading though...(if you're really bored and feel like reading).
Especially when you read various Threads around other Forums as well (such as the Malwarebytes Forums), and get the whole picture from different perspectives.
One thing for sure, this whole thing sure has spread around pretty fast. :D
»www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=···oq=&aqi=
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Doctor Four @ 4th Nov 12:00PM:
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said by jpav :
I am a solid IObit fans, don't believe they need to copy a competitor's work as they have all the necessary expertise at their own fingertips.
True to form, a shill shows up. And it only took about 33 hours to do so.
No one on this site believes what you say.
How does it feel to work for an untrusted "security" vendor?
Because that's what IOBit has become as a result of their actions.
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DrStrange @ 4th Nov 12:13PM:
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I wonder if the shill is posting from China? I also wonder what would happen if I changed my sigfile to 'China out of Tibet!'.
;-)
I think the online community will deal with these people in their own way. In the early history of the country, one form of punishment for not conforming to community standards was to shun the offender. It looks like we're doing a good job of administering the 21st-century form of that sanction.
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TheJoker @ 4th Nov 12:19PM:
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said by Doctor Four :
True to form, a shill shows up. And it only took about 33 hours to do so.
And notice that they joined the board just today to post as a shill within the first hour (joined today and post was at 12:42 AM).
I would go further than untrusted "security" vendor, and classify they as a rogue security vendor as others have previously been classified when they took other companies work, either the program interface or database.
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MarkAW @ 4th Nov 12:59PM:
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We have never used the database of any other companies. And hope Malwarebytes stop spreading malicious rumors for hyping itself. The ridiculousness: who will trust and depend on a security product that can NOT even protect itself?
A legal letter will be released later, which will prove that there is no problem with Intellectual Property Rights.
For the sake of avoiding dispute and possible problems, we have deleted all disputed items in our database temporarily, and have updated IObit Security 360’s database.
Our database is from the online submission form:
»db.iobit.com/deal/sdsubmit/index.php
We also have many various sources of malware samples from warm-hearted users, computer security fans, and major security groups from all over the world. We have admitted that it’s hard to avoid mistakes, like a silly or duplicated name. But there is in no way means we steal Malwarebytes’ or any other's database. We are investigating and tracking on those items which Malwarebytes declared stolen.
We have so many independent and objective reviewing tests and reports; everybody can download and view from the link: »forums.iobit.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25. We believe that, after viewing these test report, you can judge that if we steal database from Malwarebytes.
Thanks for the always support of IObit users.
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I am pleased to help or discuss with you. Hope you like IObit products.
»forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?t=4807
Ok if what MBAM claims is all bullshit why would IObit remove all
disputed items in their database temporarily? If they say MBAM is lying and they (IObit) haven't stolen anyone's database and used it in their product then why remove said database?
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PTS @ 4th Nov 01:05PM:
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said by Blue2 :
In the '60s when shoplifting was for many an act of anti-establishment rebellion, we politely called it a "five finger discount". I guess you'd now call this "five finger marketing".
More like "middle finger marketing"... :D
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Rebirth @ 4th Nov 05:12PM:
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PORN links via hxxp://www.iobit.com/naruto-hentai.html
Other links on this page take you to countless other REAL live porn www's and who knows what else.
UNBELIEVABLE !!!
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Vampirefo @ 4th Nov 06:31PM:
Re: IOBit Steals Malwarebytes Intellectual Property
MBAM claims seem unreal, not believable, something is just wrong with MBAM claims. I don't use either product but do find this interesting, MBAM appears as though they don't really know if IOBit has stolen their database or not.
These little tests might impress some people but they don't impress me at all smoke and mirrors If IOBit is really using MBAM database all MBAM has to do is open it, and read the contents and post them, but I noticed MBAM hasn't done that.
It seems to me MBAM is playing games trying to get people to distrust or dislike IOBit, I believe the samples where submitted by MBAM to IOBit, there is more to this story than what MBAM is letting us know.
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Kayrac @ 4th Nov 06:59PM:
Re: IOBit Steals Malwarebytes Intellectual Property
said by Vampirefo :
MBAM claims seem unreal, not believable, something is just wrong with MBAM claims. I don't use either product but do find this interesting, MBAM appears as though they don't really know if IOBit has stolen their database or not.
These little tests might impress some people but they don't impress me at all smoke and mirrors If IOBit is really using MBAM database all MBAM has to do is open it, and read the contents and post them, but I noticed MBAM hasn't done that.
It seems to me MBAM is playing games trying to get people to distrust or dislike IOBit, I believe the samples where submitted by MBAM to IOBit, there is more to this story than what MBAM is letting us know.
no way would a lawyer suggest that they release that information
but it could very well go that way, suppose we'll see in a few months/years depending how long it takes :)
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jabarnut @ 4th Nov 07:24PM:
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said by Vampirefo :
MBAM claims seem unreal, not believable, something is just wrong with MBAM claims. I don't use either product but do find this interesting, MBAM appears as though they don't really know if IOBit has stolen their database or not.
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Sorry, but I beg to differ. But then, perhaps you haven't read as much about it as I have.
I'll admit though, you may have a point when all is said and done. After all, the thought that some company based in China may be stealing Intellectual Property does seem a little bit far fetched.
Why in the world would they do something like that? :huh:
On the other hand, why would Malwarebytes bring such accusations, and stir up such a ruckus if they didn't feel they had some solid proof?
They've stated that they didn't take this lightly, and spent quite some time investigating before they went public with it.
Yes, time will tell for sure.
And I suspect time will tell that the IOBit bunch are a company of low life thieves.
If I end up being wrong, feel free to tell me "I told you so", when this fiasco is over with.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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David @ 4th Nov 08:44PM:
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Nice find!
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Anonymous @ 6th Nov 05:34PM:
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said by joako :
Am I the only person that is bothered by key generators and cracks that don't do any harm to the computer, don't spread any virus/trojan but are still flagged by antivirus software? Even some software to extract the Windows product key is sometimes flagged!
Count me in.
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public @ 7th Nov 03:45AM:
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said by doppler :
Good luck in getting results.
China:
A land where you can get "Garden" a $4 copy of Windows XP.
For that amount you can get win7 ultimate even before it was generally available in the us.
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public @ 7th Nov 03:53AM:
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said by joako :
Am I the only person that is bothered by key generators and cracks that don't do any harm to the computer, don't spread any virus/trojan but are still flagged by antivirus software? Even some software to extract the Windows product key is sometimes flagged!
Funded whitelisting or blacklisting has been an issue with several vendors.
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veloslave @ 7th Nov 09:10PM:
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said by ZZZZZZZ :
This is pretty pathetic considering it's not even a good program.
Your knowledge of virus tools is what is pathetic in my opinion (and the opinions of the many people I work with)
I do virus removals daily and between combofix and Malwarebytes... they are the two best products out there. Add on that it's free version is, well, FREE... that makes it a cannot beat.
Hopefully MWB kicks some donkey in this case. China in general is getting pretty bad with hacking and such, them and their neighbors :uhh:
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