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SUMware @ 6th Nov 09:19PM:
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From The Atlantic Wire
November 04, 2009 -
said by Carl Franzen :
Secret Copyright Treaty Will Ruin the Internet

Bloggers are blasting the treaty, as you'd expect, but are also fulminating against the government's opacity, the companies' cooperation, and big news organizations for failing to sound the alarm:
Patricio Robles, Econsultancy: "ACTA could be the worst thing for the internet- ever…Not only would ACTA be bad for citizens of the member nations, it would put businesses in those member nations at a significant disadvantage."

Mike Masnick, Techdirt: "There is simply no reason for ACTA, at all. It is nothing but an attempt by the entertainment industry to put massive restrictions on the internet, place liability on lots of third parties, and do nothing to push themselves to adapt to a changing marketplace with new business models."

Jolie O'Dell, ReadWriteWeb: "Are international treaties governing Internet content and intellectual property even necessary? Insofar as they fly in the face of normative cultural practices and contradict or tighten existing national laws, we find these suggested measures inflexible and unrealistic."

Nicholas Deleon, CrunchGear: "Everything’s very hush-hush, of course, and you don’t hear a damn thing about it on TV, no. No, that’s filled with crackpots on the left and right claiming that health care will fix everyone’s problems automatically or destroy the country as soon as it’s signed into law. As if things this complicated could be debated in 30-second segments."

James Love, Huffington Post: "At this point, Congress needs to stand up and put an end to this appalling spectacle of secret legislation on a global scale. How can politicians claim to be all for transparency, and allow this indefensible violation of the public right to know proceed?…Earth to politicians -- you work for us, not the International Chamber of Commerce. Make this negotiation public!"

Glyn Moody, Computerworld UK: "The whole ACTA saga is one of the most nauseating demonstrations of the contempt in which the Power-that-Be hold ordinary people and their interests. Sadly, it is not clear to me how to fight it…Any suggestions not involving insurrection?"


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Ender3rd @ 6th Nov 10:34PM:
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I feel perfectly secure with this treaty being written by people who have demonstrated such a vast technical understanding of the workings of the internet. You see, the internet is actually a series of tubes...
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Shriyash @ 11th Nov 11:09PM:
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Meanwhile...

The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon.

»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···ionsbox1
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aefstoggaflm @ 14th Nov 03:56PM:
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Wow, just wow. This is horrible.

I am not sure if you know it or not.

But it appears to be much worse...

Three strikes without prove, and then you are banned for life from the net.

Source: Security Now!, Episode 222 for November 12, 2009: Your questions, Steve's answers #79.
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chrisretusn @ 14th Nov 05:23PM:
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Copyright gone amuck. The meaning of copyright has been twisted beyond it's original intent.. Copyright is being used to promote exclusiveness and monopolies over products or ideas. Copyright is being used to gobble up every possible idea or concept even theoretical ones. Things are being copyrighted that should not be copyrighted. Copyrights are being used what keep product prices high and stifle competition. Someone who can have make a similar product or the same product better and cheaper is prohibited from doing so under the guise of protection of intellectual property. It all crazy.
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EGeezer @ 14th Nov 05:40PM:
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It's not exactly secret. ACTA was initiated in 2007. The difference is that nobody cared when the other party was in power. Now they care, and rightfully so. When it comes government expansion of surveillance and loss of individual privacy and security, new boss=old boss.

As has been posted elsewhere, see »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Count···greement for some backround.
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ross @ 14th Nov 06:31PM:
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said by SUMware :

From The Register
6th November 2009 -
said by OUT-LAW.COM :
Don't panic over the secret copyright treaty
At least, not until we know what's in it


Negotiations have been going on for more than two years and people have consistently, and reasonably, called for elected governments to be more open about what is going on. Some worry that representatives of the industries most affected by copyright, such as the music and film businesses, are unduly influencing proceedings. Because we can't see what's going on, we can't make sure that that is not the case.

But this week speculation about the content of the eventual treaty in parts ran away with itself. Some leaks emerged about what might be in the final document and commentators were quick to cry foul. But if they look closer they will see that many of the provisions already exist in law, at least in the UK.

It has been said that each country that signed the treaty would have to create a 'laundry list' of penalties to deter people from infringing copyright on a commercial scale. That already exists in the UK. File-sharing could be prosecuted as a criminal offence under copyright law.

The treaty, it was said, would criminalise trading fake packaging for music and films. That is already an offence in the UK. Camcording films would be criminalised: again, that is law in the UK.

Some of the biggest shock was reserved for the idea of making ISPs liable for copyright infringements carried out by their subscribers. Yet that, too, is the case across the EU. If an ISP is told about a customer's copyright infringement or defamatory statement on pages it hosts, it must take action quickly otherwise it will be liable for the infringement.

The devil, of course, is in the detail. If the proposal is to make ISPs liable whether they know about illegal material or not, that would be an alarming development. Of course we don't know this, which is a flaw in the proceedings that critics are right to point out.

Under the plans, we are told, ISPs will have the chance to win back their immunity from liability if they behave in a certain way, reportedly along the lines laid out in a previous US trade agreement, this time directly with South Korea.

Again, though, that document describes a set-up that stops well short of the doomsday scenarios played out in reports and on blogs.

It says that countries should create "legal incentives for service providers to cooperate with copyright owners in deterring the unauthorized storage and transmission of copyrighted materials".

According to reports, ACTA also provides that ISPs will have to terminate subscribers "in appropriate circumstances". In the UK, a copyright owner can force an ISP to disconnect a subscriber that the ISP knows to be infringing content. The copyright owner has to prove its case before a court, though – and at this time we don't know that ACTA proposes anything less.

The legislation banning technologies that break content encryption will also be bracingly familiar to UK residents. That, too, is already outlawed here.

The scenarios outlined by protesters against ACTA are truly worrying. But they are also not grounded in the few snippets we have seen. Of course it is entirely possible that they are contained in parts of the text that have not leaked.

What an asshole! Don't panic over the ACTA? The UK is so fucked up! They want everyone to just "wait and see". SEE WHAT? The fucking treaty details are SECRET!!!! Just another Brit twit asking if we wouldn't mind just picking up the soap they "accidentally" dropped in the shower. Hey, what's the harm?

Ahhh, no thanks!
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SnowyOne @ 14th Nov 07:18PM:
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said by ross :

What an asshole! Don't panic over the ACTA? The UK is so fucked up! ...
How does your sense of panic affect anything except your blood pressure? It would be more effective to send a calm, cool & collective email to your congress person letting them know your position on the matter.
ps words like "asshole, fucked up" will make your email/opinion trivial.
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Shriyash @ 14th Nov 11:58PM:
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said by chrisretusn :

The meaning of copyright has been twisted beyond it's original intent.. Copyright is being used to promote exclusiveness and monopolies over products or ideas. Copyright is being used to gobble up every possible idea or concept even theoretical ones. Things are being copyrighted that should not be copyrighted. Copyrights are being used what keep product prices high and stifle competition. Someone who can have make a similar product or the same product better and cheaper is prohibited from doing so under the guise of protection of intellectual property. It all crazy.
Very well summed up.
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Shriyash @ 15th Nov 12:02AM:
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said by ross :

They want everyone to just "wait and see". SEE WHAT? The fucking treaty details are SECRET!!!! Just another Brit twit asking if we wouldn't mind just picking up the soap they "accidentally" dropped in the shower. Hey, what's the harm? Ahhh, no thanks!
Exactly, but apparently you are a 'tin-foil hat' whatever if all this secrecy makes you nervous......
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ross @ 15th Nov 04:47AM:
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said by SnowyOne :

said by ross :

What an asshole! Don't panic over the ACTA? The UK is so fucked up! ...
How does your sense of panic affect anything except your blood pressure? It would be more effective to send a calm, cool & collective email to your congress person letting them know your position on the matter.
ps words like "asshole, fucked up" will make your email/opinion trivial.
I'm not panicked yet, but everyone should be leary. ACTA will change everything! It also pisses me off that here is yet another example of rule by elitist special interests who have no regard for the public weal, and, right on time, up steps some Brit fop apologist to cajole the populace into acceptance. He's just another "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about", "move along, nothing to see here" type. That makes him an asshole in my book.

I don't know about yours, but my representatives all seem to be bought and paid for by the entertainment industry, as are a majority of both houses. Fat lot of good it will do to write to my reps, who will probably send me some canned reply like, "I can't comment on the ACTA, as I haven't seen it". I expect the senate to rubber stamp the treaty as soon as it is presented for confirmation.
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norwegian @ 15th Nov 05:41PM:
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I can not believe it all.

The issue of ISP's, filters or any such load of baloney is only a way of getting "in amongst the end users". It is basically wire-tapping in a legal form, with no need warrants. This may be an extreme view of these events, but with all the secrecy for this and may other forms of so-called protection, what else can you 'label' it as?

If anything needs to be monitored, maybe look at all web-sites needing registration for the internet?

The belief that ISP's need to be involved at all means to me 1 thing, basically, you are guilty till proven innocent. There is so much blatant "guilty" ruling of late bought into place in general life, that you can not see this type of approach to "looking after the internet" as anything but a similar approach.

The digital age was forced upon us, and now we can to be "condemned" for using it by those that supply the product that makes it all connect-able. (Is this a gun, a speed camera detector or a chemical of "bounding outside the local chemist" type?")
The ISP are a shop front, not a law enforcement agency.
Unless it is really only to help cover DRM, copyright of movies etc, I can't view this any other way.

Leave the ISP's out of it and capture the law-breakers by the correct methods, IE, reasonable, probable, or justifiable cause, due process, and the paperwork in place to force the hand over of information. Then if proven guilty, by all means request the ISP to ban a user.

note: Even that though with the chances of being 'innocent' but found guilty will still happen once in a while, and I would think mostly from some form of exploit, malware or other such nonsense. I can imagine by 2020, all ISP's will become an "online police station", what a load of bollocks.

Edit: grammer. :)
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