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How to make your voice heard
(old news - 11:10PM Wednesday Feb 21 2001)
tags: fcc
As we all know, Verizon is attempting to get long distance approval in the state of MA. The FCC has an established procedure for accepting comments on this application by Verizon. Most comments are from companies such as Worldcom, AT&T and Covad, but members of the public are equally invited.

As far as we can tell, this application is still open for comments, so you have a vote! use it!.

If you believe Verizon is doing a good job with ADSL, and helping competition in the DSL market, then comment that they should be granted access to offer long distance in MA.

If you believe, and especially have experience that Verizon needs to work more on ADSL before being rewarded with access to other markets, then say so!

Using the FCC website is easy but only when someone has explained it to you. The first thing to know is this Verizon application ("proceeding") is called 01-9

Lets read one of the current lodged comments from an ADSL subscriber on why the FCC should block this application from Verizon. It reads like a typical ADSL horror story: PDF Document.

How did this Verizon ADSL horror story get into the FCC system? well the good news is anyone with a web browser can do it.

The method is fairly simple.

One uses the EFCS comments upload facility. The URL for adding your voice
is here, pre-set for proceeding 01-9.

Fill it out as best you are able (the "cover sheet"), and then submit to get the chance to lodge your actual comment.

It can be a simple, pointing out your experience with Verizon and concluding they should be required to focus on ADSL as a priority, or something more elaborate as per the example above! You do not need to be Worldcom or AT&T to tell your story.

To search for lodged comments on 01-9, use this forum and enter 01-9, you can read the 80 something existing comments, many from ADSL users! Lets see how far this number can be increased.

If you know of someone else who would like to contribute their voice, send them this URL..
»How to make your voice heard
It is this page you are reading now, so they can help.

These procedures exist for hearing your opinion, unfortunately few people know how to use them and Verizon is certainly not going to include a leaflet in your phone bill explaining how to do it.

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anon @ 22nd Feb 12:29AM:
B E REAL!

Wireless telephone service has NOTHING to do with ADSL. They are two totally separate divisions of Verizon. Regulate ADSL, review ADSL, slam ADSL fine, but the two subjects are separate. I can see reviews by people who have a gripe with their high speed internet, reviews on what is experienced, but I always thought this site was biased and portrayed the industry fairly. To see you bashing a company, no matter which company is bogus and I think unfairly biased. You are inviting bad feelings into something unrelated. By the way, if you are wondering.....I have cable modem access. Be objective.
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anon @ 22nd Feb 12:34AM:
REPRIEVE

Just to reprieve, I earlier said wireless and I meant long distance. By Federal Law the ADSL and ANY phone services are to be separate. Separate divisions, separate intities. You can not relate the two.
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justin @ 22nd Feb 12:58AM:
Re: REPRIEVE

The FCC should look at their overall behavior of the company, as well as the performance of individual divisions.. Verizon is not two companies, it is one, with policies and attitudes, (unless the management committee is a waste of space), that are common from the top down.
This is just my opinion.
If the FCC thinks differently, they will just ignore anyone complaining or praising ADSL service and making the connection to LD telephone service.
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Pupak @ 22nd Feb 02:16AM:
Mass, learn from New York's ERROR!

For more than a year now, Verizon has been in the LD market in NY state and look how far things have gone here. Verizon screws ISPs, CLECs, even its own DSL customers...

I'm 9000 ft from DSL-capable CO, but no Verizon DSL; Rhythms ADSL prequal OK but Verizon unable to install circuit for 14 weeks; dial-up 24k max...byebye DSL, hello cable. I feel sorry for the ISPs/CLECs.

And what do ya know, this morning a Verizon telemarketer wakes me up to offer long distance... Low-tech, easy money service, that's the business they want to be in...Once you let them in they'll start ignoring DSL...
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Archvile2 @ 22nd Feb 08:56AM:
Verizon's bid for long distance fails again!

I just heard it on Bloomberg: Verizon got rejected again. I haven't found any news sites with the news yet, but they'll post it soon!
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Pathfinder @ 22nd Feb 09:33AM:
Re: Verizon's bid for long distance fails again!

The application won't be ruled on by the FCC until April. What you probably heard was that the DOJ recommended that the FCC reject the bid. The FCC has the final authority on the application.
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OCNBLUE @ 22nd Feb 09:45AM:
Re: REPRIEVE

"The FCC should look at their overall behavior of the company, as well as the performance of individual divisions.. Verizon is not two companies, it is one, with policies and attitudes, (unless the management committee is a waste of space), that are common from the top down."
justin

I understand what you are trying to say. However there are several different divisions of Verizon. All are considered separate not only by the FCC but Verizon as well. And to blame one division for another divisions issues is not only unfair it is not relevant for the request for Long Distance in a different state. If we used your logic, think of companies like Pepsi. They have hundreds of companies under their umbrella. Would you consider Taco Bell, Kentucky Fried Chicken etc. as the same company? Most look at them as different companies. Verizon is in the same boat.
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mikeeo @ 22nd Feb 09:56AM:
Re: Mass, learn from New York's ERROR!

9000ft and you get 24k max on dial up? sounds like you could be on pair gain and yes I have pair gain used on lines shorter than 5k feet. Also you could have some bad cables in your area so find the facts out before you bitch.
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OCNBLUE @ 22nd Feb 09:57AM:
Re: Mass, learn from New York's ERROR!

What does long distance have to do with DSL? Answer..nothing. Two different products, two different divisions. You guys need to look at this from an objective stand point, not subjective. If you want to bash DSL service, and many have a right to, complain to the proper channel.

You mention ISP's and CLEC's so I assume you have some knowledge of the telecom industry. As a suggestion, I would go cable modem before you consider Rhythms or any other DLEC at this time. They are way too unstable now. Look at Jato, North Point, Covad etc. etc.


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wesm @ 22nd Feb 10:32AM:
Re: REPRIEVE

Would you consider Taco Bell, Kentucky Fried Chicken etc. as the same company?

Yes, I would. Tricon Global and their three restaurant chains (Taco Bell, Kentucky Fried Chicken and Pizza Hut) are all the same company. They may have different "department heads," but they're still controlled and operated by one board, and their stock is bought and sold under one ticker symbol (NYSE: YUM).

Verizon is one company, made up of several divisions, including General Telephone Exchange (and GTE Southwest), Bell Atlantic of the Northeast, Verizon Data Services (formerly Bell Atlantic Data Services, IIRC), Verizon Wireless (formerly Primeco, Bell Atlantic Wireless and one more that I don't remember). Since they all fall under the top-down management decisions of the VZ board, they are one company, and everything should be considered, including the relative non-performance of their ADSL offerings.

Granted, their ADSL doesn't suck everywhere. In former GTE Southwest, we've enjoyed relatively good service. However, I notice that Verizon Data Services has infected my phone bill as well, so who knows how long that will last.
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Pupak @ 22nd Feb 01:15PM:
Dial-up dropped from 48k to 24k after DSL attempt

The irony is I was consistently getting 48k until the attempted (and failed) DSL installation. So now I have no DSL and 1/2 speed dial-up.
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Pupak @ 22nd Feb 01:20PM:
Re: Mass, learn from New York's ERROR!

Maybe in the ideal world... but in the real world VERIZON is now 1 company and should be evaluated that way. Once they get the OK to do long-distance, they will shift resources, inevitably lowering DSL service standard even more.
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mrdialup @ 22nd Feb 03:37PM:
Re: REPRIEVE

Justin,

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have to applaud you on that.

I agree with you. I think that Verizon should be judged as one entity. Instead of being judged by the Broadband Department, only. Why can not the United States have truthful Broadband Internet Companies? Are we (consumers) asking too much?
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Archvile2 @ 22nd Feb 04:08PM:
Re: Verizon's bid for long distance fails again!

...which means, if the DOJ approves anyway, the FCC will most likely reject it. Looks like Verizon's in a lose-lose situation!
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moonpuppy @ 26th Mar 04:20PM:
Re: Mass, learn from New York's ERROR!

O.k. say we consider the 2 separate divisions are 2 different companies. What would happen then if I didn't have Verizon LD and DSL? Would I get a higher rate? What if I went with another DSL provider instead of Verizon. They can look at my records and see I have another DSL provider and say to themselves, "Since he only has home service we can push him back and help those who have ALL our services." Don't tell me they can't cause they can and they will! Companies are looking out for themselves and the more money you mean to them, the more valuable you are. They control the final mile in DSL lines and they need to play fair and if they don;t, then they lose the privilege os selling LD. If they begin to sell LD, what if the circuit between ATT and them goes down? How much f a hurry would they be to fix it? Not much since they have their own service and LD and they can advertise "less downtime" than ATT or MCI or even Sprint.

Verizon is a whole company with plenty of divisions that work together when they want to. They all have one stock then they are one company.
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anon @ 29th Apr 09:11PM:
Re: Dial-up dropped from 48k to 24k after DSL attempt

So now you download at 1.5k rather than 3. I had the same thing happen. Once the jumpers at co have been rewired and you are no longer attached to any adsl equipment, you should be downloading at 3k again!
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