Time Warner Cablevision? - NYPost: companies have 'agreed in principle'

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Time Warner Cablevision?
NYPost: companies have 'agreed in principle'
(old news - 05:09PM Thursday Apr 10 2003)
tags: business · cable

Rumors have been circulating since 2001 that AOL-Time Warner has been considering a purchase of Cablevision and their Optimum-Online network, and now the move is beginning to look more certain. The New York Post has "learned" that the two companies have agreed on principle to merge their cable systems ahead of a much-anticipated Time Warner Cable IPO. However an AOL spokesperson denied the report, and Cablevision refused to comment. The acquisition of Cablevision would add roughly 3 million customers to the AOL/Time Warner family, and create a company (Time Warner Cable) the Post estimates would be worth around $40 billion.

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HydroponiK @ 10th Apr 05:12PM:
Bad news for OOL users

Well I guess we can kiss our good speeds goodbye. If Time Warner/Aol aquires Cablevision, you can be sure to expect changes for the worst for OOL.
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imtim83 @ 10th Apr 05:14PM:
Re: Bad news of OOL users

Hydroponik I don't think it will happen and i hope it does not. No i do not have OOL but i still don't want OOL customers to have to deal with that. I won't believe it or think it will happen till it does.

OOL isp should live forever and i hope they do! I may not be a OOL user or never had it but i will still defend OOL users!
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rothrock @ 10th Apr 05:16PM:
Killing a good thing???

My Cablevision Optimum Online service currently rocks. All I can think of is having AOL/TW come in and ruin it. Dare I say it, maybe i'll have to switch to Verizon DSL... Ouch.
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MoviePhreak9 @ 10th Apr 05:24PM:
bright side of verizon

:) look at it this way in 5 years verizon will have 8mbit/1.5 mbit
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jonnyzor @ 10th Apr 05:37PM:
LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Sucks to be you, if you are a Cablevision customer. LOL!!!
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AnArky @ 10th Apr 05:39PM:
Re: Bad news for OOL users

Kiss that nice speed goodbye or pay a high premium to keep it. You know damn well that AOL is going to institute Tiers and cite cost issues.
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Karl Bode @ 10th Apr 05:41PM:
Re: Bad news for OOL users

Well, on the bright side it took them forever to realize they needed to start pitching broadband.

My guess is even IF they acquire Cablevision (which could easily fall through, or the Post, or their source could be talking out their arse), it will take them forever to bring OOL people into the fold....
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anon @ 10th Apr 05:54PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Better to have good speeds then to be stuck with Pacific Bell. I guess you so use to crap service that you want the rest of us to suffer.

My shares will go to block the merger!!!!
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removed @ 10th Apr 06:16PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

I can't wait to see this happen. For years now, kids have been bragging about their "leet 10/1mbit" connections. We'll see how things are when TimeWarner lowers the caps to the RoadRunner standard - 2048/384kbps.
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NJChris @ 10th Apr 06:20PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Why does it bother people so much that OOL has great speeds???? Why not insist the same service in your area instead of wishing crap to happen to others?

Amazing.
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removed @ 10th Apr 06:24PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Bother? Who said anything about bothering? It's just been the CONSTANT bragging that's gotten on my nerves.

As for the same service being around down here, it's already happened. It's not as widespread as Optimum Online, but a few newer neighborhoods are doing FTTH.
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Sprinkle Head @ 10th Apr 06:37PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Brag where? In the Optimum Online forum?
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removed @ 10th Apr 06:48PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

I wouldn't know about that. I've looked through the OOL forum a good TWO times. That kind of 'bragging' is just fine. However, when you go around other forums (and other websites, chatrooms, etc.) just BRAGGING and BRAGGING isn't cool.
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mikepd @ 10th Apr 06:49PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

said by Sprinkle Head:
Brag where? In the Optimum Online forum?

Does the departed, certain OOL user who posted speed tests everywhere and others like him ring a bell? Not to mention the fact that while people were complaining about the service in the OOL forum, any review less than stellar for the longest time was jumped on as unacceptable. Even now, with upload caps, OOL can hardly be allowed to do no wrong in public. Verizon, on the other hand, can do nothing right, even when people have good things to say about the service. It's called hypocrisy.
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jcallari @ 10th Apr 06:53PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

said by removed:
I wouldn't know about that. I've looked through the OOL forum a good TWO times. That kind of 'bragging' is just fine. However, when you go around other forums (and other websites, chatrooms, etc.) just BRAGGING and BRAGGING isn't cool.

That's brilliant. A bunch of idiots with OOL run around and brag about their speed, so fuck the rest of the OOL customers, take their speed!

Penalize the majority for the actions of the few...

Good thinking there.

John
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mig288 @ 10th Apr 06:56PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Sad day for OOL if this does happen! I hope that the deal falls because OOL is a true ISP and they are the best out there. Others should follow there lead!
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HydroponiK @ 10th Apr 07:05PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

OOL ownz j00. :D
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anon @ 10th Apr 07:07PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Trust me the FCC will block this one. As far as bragging I dont see it but even if we did mention it so what? We pay some of the highest cost of living in NY metro area and desire to having something of top tier quality. If you dont like it tough.
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removed @ 10th Apr 07:12PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

har har har
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Sprinkle Head @ 10th Apr 07:31PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

I don't see the bragging at all and I participate in many forums on this web site. All you can do is purchase what you can, and around here OOL is the most bang for the buck.
Considering the area I live in is one of the most expensive in the country, OOL is a bargain.

Did I mention that OOL is 10/1mbit :)
[text was edited by author 2003-04-10 19:35:13]

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ayal5 @ 10th Apr 07:51PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

My shares will go to block the merger!!!!

Unless your last name is Dolan, Case, or Turner I don't think it'll make any difference how you vote but hey you never know. All the power to ya.
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mrchris @ 10th Apr 07:59PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

said by Sprinkle Head:

Did I mention that OOL is 10/1mbit :)

I thought it was 5000/1000
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djrobx @ 10th Apr 08:00PM:
Re: bright side of verizon

Well, in the last 5 years, Verizon budget DSL customers have gone from 640/90 to 880/160. At the rate they're going, they'll be lucky to have 1500/256 by 2010.

-- Rob
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palbri @ 10th Apr 08:27PM:
Poor OOL...

All I can say is, "Thank God I am a Comcast customer." I ditched AOL a long time ago.....
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dvd536 @ 10th Apr 08:45PM:
Re: Bad news for OOL users

At least time warner doesnt take 85% of your upstream for uploading(yet). theres very few sites that push what an ool person can pull anyway. i think routing/latency would hold more value than speed alone. with people leaving cablevision for the dishes, theres less and less money available to subsidize the OOL part of it.
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BetaTron @ 10th Apr 09:32PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

I thought it was 10/5mbit??
/me is nuts I guess.
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lifthz @ 10th Apr 09:55PM:
Re: Poor OOL...

BASTARDS!!! This must stop. I just switched from AOL to Optimum and it was superb... now this?! F*ck! I know everyone in the world is going to get Optimum because of AOL now .:(
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HydroponiK @ 10th Apr 10:07PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

It's actually about 9000/1000.

The download stream varies between 5k - 10k depending on your modem and node.
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mrchris @ 10th Apr 10:57PM:
Re: Bad news for OOL users

I'm not loading any clunky AOL client software just to use my internet connection! No way in hell i'm installing any crap for it!
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At0mAng @ 10th Apr 11:27PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

said by mig288:
Sad day for OOL if this does happen! I hope that the deal falls because OOL is a true ISP and they are the best out there. Others should follow there lead!

They are only the best at speed, if that. Everything else about their OOL service stinks.

The news servers stink and you can not get full speeds off of them if you do find what you are looking for.

They will cap your upload speed if they feel you upload to much. It does not matter what you upload, if they think it is too much they cap you and they do not make public what will cap you.

They basically told their customers to trun off uploading on P2P programs.

And the email servers stink too.

So a 10000/1000kbps connection is pretty much wasted. It is nice to do speed tests, download all of the windows updates, download UNIX or whatever ISOs, and any other large file you may pull from a fast public site but in the end for most power users OOL itself stinks. It could be even worse for a normal net user with the problems on the email and text newsgroup servers.
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removed @ 11th Apr 12:29AM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

In all honesty, if I had the choice of my current setup (ADSL via SBC Southwest, 1536/288, virtually NO use limits) or what most OOL people have, I'd go for my current setup.

Why? I don't care very much for the ToS. SBC doesn't seem to care very much about servers on their network, whereas OOL will cap you BELOW our 288kbits if you go "abusive". SBC has badass customer service. Hell, they even have 4 (may be 5.. not sure) OFFICIAL technicians that post here, not to mention at least 20 unofficial techs that stop in from time to time. If I'm reading some of this stuff correctly, OOL doesn't even have any concrete system to cap you with. WHEN is uploading "too much" really "too much"? It would be nice if they just stopped dicking around and laid down some concrete limits.

Y'all keep your cable with limits out the wazoo... I'll remain a happy camper with my DSL. :)
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removed @ 11th Apr 12:32AM:
Re: Poor OOL...

Everyone in the world? Pity that OOL only serves NY, NJ, and CT.
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drew @ 11th Apr 12:32AM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

and have you had any experience with Charter Pipeline?

News servers are capped at 128
Upload is 128, can't go higher than that unless you want to pay like 200$+ for CBN
No Servers. of any kind.
Customer... Service? oxymoron with them.
And the list goes on. I'd gladly trade in my "Pipeline" for some OOL.
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dib22 @ 11th Apr 02:18AM:
Re: Bad news for OOL users

you dont need aol client software to use time warner roadrunner...
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Frank @ 11th Apr 08:33AM:
Re: Bad news for OOL users

no you dont need client software to use roadrunner.
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Frank @ 11th Apr 08:34AM:
Re: Killing a good thing???

dont switch to verizon. optonline rocks and rr may not be as good but anything is better than verizon.
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Frank @ 11th Apr 08:42AM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

said by removed:
In all honesty, if I had the choice of my current setup (ADSL via SBC Southwest, 1536/288, virtually NO use limits) or what most OOL people have, I'd go for my current setup.

Why? I don't care very much for the ToS. SBC doesn't seem to care very much about servers on their network, whereas OOL will cap you BELOW our 288kbits if you go "abusive". SBC has badass customer service. Hell, they even have 4 (may be 5.. not sure) OFFICIAL technicians that post here, not to mention at least 20 unofficial techs that stop in from time to time. If I'm reading some of this stuff correctly, OOL doesn't even have any concrete system to cap you with. WHEN is uploading "too much" really "too much"? It would be nice if they just stopped dicking around and laid down some concrete limits.

Y'all keep your cable with limits out the wazoo... I'll remain a happy camper with my DSL. :)

owned that statement doesnt make much sense. Sure ool will cap you but they'll cap you to 256kbps which is about 32 kbps less than what your upload speeds currently are and even still you'd have a download up to around 9mbps or so. The caps are done automatically using QoS software so there is no 'limit' as you say it's just that if they see you utilizing a large amount of the upload capacity of a node most of the time then you will get capped. a standard cable node has only about 5mbps upload capacity anyways.

would you really miss the 32kbps extra upload when you have over 5 to 9 mbps download?
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IGGY @ 11th Apr 09:31AM:
Catchy title 2

I think this quote from the article sums things up very well.

"If the deal gets completed, it would mark the end of Cablevision as we know it."
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Frank @ 11th Apr 10:14AM:
Re: bright side of verizon

they already have 7mbps/640kbps. The problems are.

1) you have to live extremely close to the Central office
2) they charge about $200 a month :(
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bigchris @ 11th Apr 11:26AM:
What about email?

And yet again all the email addresses may have to change and those people who are being absorbed will yet again have to inform everyone they are changing domains again... sucks to be merged.

As an upside, maybe Time Warner has a *real* email system that stays up more than 50% of the time. That is, unless they also use the same crappy iPlanet software that Cablevision uses.
[text was edited by author 2003-04-11 11:27:08]

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At0mAng @ 11th Apr 11:44AM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

said by Frank:

said by removed:
In all honesty, if I had the choice of my current setup (ADSL via SBC Southwest, 1536/288, virtually NO use limits) or what most OOL people have, I'd go for my current setup.

Why? I don't care very much for the ToS. SBC doesn't seem to care very much about servers on their network, whereas OOL will cap you BELOW our 288kbits if you go "abusive". SBC has badass customer service. Hell, they even have 4 (may be 5.. not sure) OFFICIAL technicians that post here, not to mention at least 20 unofficial techs that stop in from time to time. If I'm reading some of this stuff correctly, OOL doesn't even have any concrete system to cap you with. WHEN is uploading "too much" really "too much"? It would be nice if they just stopped dicking around and laid down some concrete limits.

Y'all keep your cable with limits out the wazoo... I'll remain a happy camper with my DSL. :)

owned that statement doesnt make much sense. Sure ool will cap you but they'll cap you to 256kbps which is about 32 kbps less than what your upload speeds currently are and even still you'd have a download up to around 9mbps or so.

The 256kbps cap is for OOL Business class. If you get capped on a residential account the cap is 150000 bps. Atleast that is what happened to me when I got capped.
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removed @ 11th Apr 05:47PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Doesn't make much sense? I think it makes assloads. From what I've read they cap at about 150kbps if you're "abusing" the service. Even if the capping is done automatically by QoS software, there are no concrete limits. "Don't use too much" doesn't tell me anything.
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mrchris @ 11th Apr 06:39PM:
Re: Bad news for OOL users

Who knows, maybe those caps will be removed..
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anon @ 12th Apr 02:59PM:
Re: Catchy title 2

I hope it doesn't happen.. They are just about to finish installing OOL in my area..

But if Cablevision is still expanding.. why would they agree to merge?
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UnKown @ 13th Apr 10:34PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

great stuff. its funny to see all you argue over a few mbits. too me and a few others we just laugh. i go to work everyday on an oc line. 1 gigabit transfers. and too see all you people argueing and bitching over a few thousand kb/s its quite comical. if u all want something worth bragging about start supporting fiber to the home supported by your city. at least u can get a full 10mbit plus on both sides.
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HydroponiK @ 14th Apr 05:28PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Sorry to say but not everyone has axx to fiber. Right now, OOL still is one of the best ISPs in the nation, even if capped. I don't know of any other cable/dsl ISP that gives you 1mb/sec downloads.

The main reason the capping was implemented was because OOL was being targeted by "rooters" on IRC because of our upload speed. The only way to stop that was to issue caps to people who abused the upload bandwidth. As you can see, it worked because nobody on IRC even scans OOL ranges anymore.

Even though the upload limits are pretty vague, as long as you're not uploading the whole day, they will not cap you.
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removed @ 14th Apr 08:56PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

I can't seem to see what the hell your comments had to do with this thread, much less the article. I work with a single T1 line..... but do I use it to download constantly? Nah.

People will bitch no matter how fast the line is..
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drew @ 14th Apr 09:01PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

up to a point.

if someone can download as fast as their computer can accept the data reliably.. then no bitching would occur.
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removed @ 14th Apr 09:02PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

Are you sure? Watch 'em complain to the manufacturer of the hard drive.
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drew @ 14th Apr 09:03PM:
Re: LOL!!!!! HA! HA!

neg. the line would be so fast that the download of anything smaller than a dvd would be instantaneous
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inboundole @ 15th Apr 05:12PM:
They will screw you over, if they can stay in aliv

Hey, AOL is pretty much the reason that company lost about what, $45 billion? Serious, how do you think AOL-Time Warner is going to buy this? And to tell you the truth, I don't think AOL will be in business in 10 years. They are about 5 years behind the broadband push arent they? If they do but that Im sorry for you guys. But to tell you the truth my cable line is about 1500/128 and I never havea a porblem viewing any online movie, website, or playing any online game.
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