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Bit Torrent: 35% of all Traffic
From Piracy and politics to pop culture...
(old news - 06:48PM Thursday Nov 04 2004)
tags: bandwidth · stats
According to this Reuters story, Bit Torrent now accounts for roughly thirty-five percent of all internet traffic. And not all of it's piracy; many companies distribute software and updates (Linspire, Valve software) via torrent to save bandwidth, and many users distribute pop-culture tid-bits, like John Stewart's recent taunting of the hosts of CNN's Crossfire. Bit Torrent is also used for the academic network Lionshare, for spam stopper Vipul's razor, and for more basic applications like Magic Mirror Backup.

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vic102482 @ 4th Nov 06:50PM:
I love BT

Anime 24/7 off of it.:p
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Amoris692001 @ 4th Nov 06:51PM:
Truth about hollywood...

Hollywood is ready to slam you for using BT. I got a letter recently from my ISP saying that the Motion Picture Association knows i've downloaded crap. I'd only been using BT for a week and then I got that letter. So I stopped using BT. I never had anyother problems with things such as IRC. I hate BT.
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mitska @ 4th Nov 06:51PM:
sure it is good...

BT is a great idea to be sure, however total anonymity would be a marked improvement imo.
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Sean @ 4th Nov 06:55PM:
Canada pwnz.

No record of anyone being hit in Canada. To make things better, downloading music is legal here.

I love Canada.
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thongsai @ 4th Nov 06:55PM:
Wasnt designed for annomity

bt was designed to help take loads off webservers. not to help people download illegal copies of software and media.
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Amoris692001 @ 4th Nov 06:55PM:
i love twins

canadian beer + canadian girls + me = paradise with no BUSH
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moby866 @ 4th Nov 06:57PM:
It accounts for alot of my traffic too!

Fedora torrents from....

»torrent.linux.duke.edu/
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Nerdtalker @ 4th Nov 07:02PM:
Re: Truth about hollywood...

said by Amoris692001:

Hollywood is ready to slam you for using BT. I got a letter recently from my ISP saying that the Motion Picture Association knows i've downloaded crap. I'd only been using BT for a week and then I got that letter. So I stopped using BT. I never had anyother problems with things such as IRC. I hate BT.
I like BT, I haven't gotten any warning from my ISP, and I use it regularly.

BT really is cool, what with how it makes broadband scale so nicely like TV does.
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vic102482 @ 4th Nov 07:03PM:
Re: sure it is good...

said by mitska:

BT is a great idea to be sure, however total anonymity would be a marked improvement imo.
Outside of (current state) newsgroups, you dont have it.:(
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vic102482 @ 4th Nov 07:04PM:
Re: Wasnt designed for annomity

said by thongsai:

bt was designed to help take loads off webservers. not to help people download illegal copies of software and media.
Thanks for the notification.:p
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Jon Geb @ 4th Nov 07:10PM:
Some one help me with BT

How do I go about getting going with it?
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zod5000 @ 4th Nov 07:15PM:
Re: Canada pwnz.

I got a email from Telus (BC DSL Provider today) letting me know that whoever owns a certain sci-fi show filed a complaint... yadda yadda, unless court ordered to do so, they will not give up my information.

I don't really care, theres been a few people getting these warnings from telus, but i'm sure they're just doing it to get the tv studios (or mpaa or whover in my case hunts down people who download mgm shows) off their backs.

I don't think they have a leg to stand on here in Canada, and we take the warnings with a grain of salt, now i just know to gran that crap of newsgroups and leave my torrenting to brand new torrents (like the night something airs somewhere), i'm guessing (since its worked for me so far) that avoids warnings because they haven't been up long enough to be infiltrated.

i love BT by the way, so much better then p2p plazes like kazaa. Forcing people to upload was bloody brilliant. People who upload more get to download faster, it gives incentives for sharing bandwidth, not like a kazaa type system where 200 people are trying to grab the smae file off 3 people with a slow dsl connection :)
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SenseBend @ 4th Nov 07:17PM:
Re: Some one help me with BT

Get a client, there are a lot of them. People seem to be partial to Bit Tornado or Azureus. I like the official one on Linux and Azureus on Windows.
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Sharingan @ 4th Nov 07:19PM:
Anime

Before Bittorrent it was a drag getting any type of anime. Now with Bitorrent I download anime all the time even the ones i have never even heard of. Naruto was one my first Bittorrent downloads, and boy I never thought this anime was going to be this good.
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anon @ 4th Nov 07:21PM:
its UPLOADING that causes MPAA and RIAA notices

its UPLOADING that causes MPAA and RIAA notices not downloading, BT uploads the same content you download as you download it, so downloading automatically means you are uploading the same content. So no content can be downloaded unless uploading is completely disabled or legal as well.

and if no-one uploads no-one can download, which kills P2P all together for illegal activity

Everywhere i look people are mad RIAA and MPAA are complaining about downloads, but it's UPLAODS that they create lawsuits and notices about.
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vic102482 @ 4th Nov 07:23PM:
Re: Anime

said by Sharingan:

Before Bittorrent it was a drag getting any type of anime. Now with Bitorrent I download anime all the time even the ones i have never even heard of. Naruto was one my first Bittorrent downloads, and boy I never thought this anime was going to be this good.
You should also try Berserk, and Gungrave, those are great animes:).

BT is the king of Anime, Naruto is really good too.

Sharingan is a cheap move though;).
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justin @ 4th Nov 07:31PM:
Re: its UPLOADING that causes MPAA and RIAA notice

that is true, and the longer you let your upload lie the more chance to get snared.
However if they increase this letter writing pressure it will just encourage private tracker clubs where membership is introduction only. Hm, kind of like small time drug dealers in new york..
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a2nxtcrav3r @ 4th Nov 07:32PM:
Re: Anime

said by vic102482:

said by Sharingan:

Before Bittorrent it was a drag getting any type of anime. Now with Bitorrent I download anime all the time even the ones i have never even heard of. Naruto was one my first Bittorrent downloads, and boy I never thought this anime was going to be this good.
You should also try Berserk, and Gungrave, those are great animes:).

BT is the king of Anime, Naruto is really good too.

Sharingan is a cheap move though;).
its not a move its built into this blood ^__^ while byakugan is a move, arent you forgetting evangelion and full metal alchemist
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vic102482 @ 4th Nov 07:39PM:
Re: Anime

said by a2nxtcrav3r:

said by vic102482:

said by Sharingan:

Before Bittorrent it was a drag getting any type of anime. Now with Bitorrent I download anime all the time even the ones i have never even heard of. Naruto was one my first Bittorrent downloads, and boy I never thought this anime was going to be this good.
You should also try Berserk, and Gungrave, those are great animes:).

BT is the king of Anime, Naruto is really good too.

Sharingan is a cheap move though;).
its not a move its built into this blood ^__^ while byakugan is a move, arent you forgetting evangelion and full metal alchemist
Yeah my bad I forgot FMA, whats Evangelion like? Mecha? Good action and story?
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DaDogs @ 4th Nov 07:39PM:
Re: its UPLOADING that causes MPAA and RIAA notice

Is BT traffic encrypted. You see if it isn't "key clubs" won't help. On subpoena to one ISP and you are hooked into the whole private BT network with a sniffer.
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a2nxtcrav3r @ 4th Nov 07:41PM:
Re: Anime

said by vic102482:

said by a2nxtcrav3r:

said by vic102482:

said by Sharingan:

Before Bittorrent it was a drag getting any type of anime. Now with Bitorrent I download anime all the time even the ones i have never even heard of. Naruto was one my first Bittorrent downloads, and boy I never thought this anime was going to be this good.
You should also try Berserk, and Gungrave, those are great animes:).

BT is the king of Anime, Naruto is really good too.

Sharingan is a cheap move though;).
its not a move its built into this blood ^__^ while byakugan is a move, arent you forgetting evangelion and full metal alchemist
Yeah my bad I forgot FMA, whats Evangelion like? Mecha? Good action and story?
Evangelion is the god of all mecha... 10x the side of your regular gundam, good action, good bloody messes, good mecha design well mayb not... shinjis eva.. why did they make it purple? shin seiki evangelion is one of the most controversial animes of all time
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a2nxtcrav3r @ 4th Nov 07:43PM:
35% is low

ONLY 35%??? it should be 60!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH... i guess that entitles me too im not doing enough to make it higher
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Frossty @ 4th Nov 07:46PM:
BT=Love it

I love it as well does the job for me and gets what I need :)
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thender2 @ 4th Nov 07:47PM:
Re: Truth about hollywood...

said by Amoris692001:

I got a letter recently from my ISP saying that the Motion Picture Association knows i've downloaded crap.
I frequent a number of eMule/eDonkey2000 release sites. People post about these letters almost regularly. Some people have gotten over five, and still continue to download with the same ISP.

It's a scare tactic without a leg to stand on. Discard it and keep on downloading. :)
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SlickEnW @ 4th Nov 07:50PM:
Re: 35% is low

i too am surprised that BT is only 35 percent :). Here is a flow chart of my p2p life.
Napster::great before killed:: , Kazaa ::original yuck::, imesh ::wtf was i thinking::, winMX ::mmm ques are the 1337!:: , IRC ::not too bad just hard to get ahold to, canned when people got mad for my dial up :)::, Emule ::i dunno i liked it::, Newsgroups :: no host would satisfy my needs for a reasonable price:: and now BT. i love it. i don't mind seeding my @$$ off ::i'm on 3Mb/256 now btw::. DLs are usually great. Gotta love the real time seed/peer counts. the distro sytems is also well designed, the only problem is i don't have enough HD space :|
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justin @ 4th Nov 07:56PM:
Re: its UPLOADING that causes MPAA and RIAA notice

they don't do that (subpoena ISPs for wiretaps).
they write clients that connect as users, and identify peers sharing parts of copyright movies by IP, then go from there.
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nfx @ 4th Nov 08:02PM:
Re: Truth about hollywood...

said by thender2:

said by Amoris692001:

I got a letter recently from my ISP saying that the Motion Picture Association knows i've downloaded crap.
I frequent a number of eMule/eDonkey2000 release sites. People post about these letters almost regularly. Some people have gotten over five, and still continue to download with the same ISP.

It's a scare tactic without a leg to stand on. Discard it and keep on downloading. :)
that may not be the case anymore: »MPAA Begins to Sue
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53059959 @ 4th Nov 08:11PM:
Re: I love BT

much of the bittorrent warez seems to come from suprnova.org. I remember browsing a few bt traker websites and suprnova was way above the rest in hits. im sure lotsa people would be glad to get rid of suprnova. ha! warez 4 life
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DaMaGeINC @ 4th Nov 08:19PM:
Not me

I dont like the idea of being forced to share my bandwidth with the world. So I dont use it. I dont read much into it, but if theirs a client that allows you to disable uploads, then I might use it.
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modan @ 4th Nov 08:22PM:
Canada PWNZ

w00t Canada rocks. Don't worry people even if isps send you warning in Canada, they still can't give out your personal info by law.

Love bittorrent. Oh wait, am I helping terrorists by using bittorrent :(, damn I wish I could help FIGHT terrorism by not guarding famous weapons cache.
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bklynite @ 4th Nov 08:33PM:
Re: Not me

said by DaMaGeINC:

I dont like the idea of being forced to share my bandwidth with the world. So I dont use it. I dont read much into it, but if theirs a client that allows you to disable uploads, then I might use it.
Oh but you're fine with downloading though, right? Hypocrite.
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insomx @ 4th Nov 08:35PM:
Re: Canada PWNZ

said by modan:

w00t Canada rocks. Don't worry people even if isps send you warning in Canada, they still can't give out your personal info by law.

Love bittorrent. Oh wait, am I helping terrorists by using bittorrent :(, damn I wish I could help FIGHT terrorism by not guarding famous weapons cache.
You got that right bud! Canada PWNZ! Been downloading and uploading non-stop since BT came out, never plan on stopping unless something majoy happens! I love my 5/.8 connection!
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BosstonesOwn @ 4th Nov 08:35PM:
Re: Wasnt designed for annomity

But just like other means of alleviating load s it is used for piracy. 2 good examples. AOL email system and news groups. If there is a better way of transferring data piracy will find it.

Now maybe the MPAA can give up it's strangle hold as well , all thought dvd's are well worth the price, and move to make a bt client available for a price to download any video wanted into xvid or divx codeced equipment.
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nil @ 4th Nov 08:38PM:
Re: sure it is good...

It's P2P total anonymity is not doable without compromising the design (adding a proxy, which kind of eliminates the benefit of torrent).
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anon @ 4th Nov 08:45PM:
Re: Canada pwnz.

yeah i just love how BT always make you upload faster than you download.... oh man its so sweet i love it! yesterday i downloaded at an amazing 70k/s .....wow
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anon @ 4th Nov 08:46PM:
Re: Wasnt designed for annomity

so i have to pay to download with speeds that depend on other people uploading? no thanks =P
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bokamba @ 4th Nov 08:46PM:
Good news post

People talk a lot about the non-piracy applications of P2P, but very rarely is there an enumeration of them like the one found in this news post. Thanks to the writer for providing some good examples!
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anon @ 4th Nov 08:48PM:
Re: Anime

how about One Piece ? its long with good humor, emotion, fighting.... it has it all 8)
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Vamp @ 4th Nov 09:01PM:
thats no surprise..

Hell I have bit torrent open right now... I downloaded over 1gb of tv episodes just today.
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clorets @ 4th Nov 09:12PM:
Re: I love BT

watch someone try and patent it later on :D :D
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Liquid Lion @ 4th Nov 09:17PM:
Anime here...anime there...anime everywhere!

Love Bit Torrent. It satisfies all my anime needs and it's free, efficient and fast (most of the time). MPAA and RIAA don't care about anime, so anime enthusiasts are safe for the time being, unless US anime companies start clamping down on LICENSED anime, so the MPAA can't do anything to anime fans...until US anime companies join the MPAA.
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DaMaGeINC @ 4th Nov 09:23PM:
Re: Not me

Yes I am. Is that wrong? Let the people with 1Mb upload connections and fiber to the house be the file sharers.
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porkchops @ 4th Nov 09:43PM:
Re: I love BT

Boxtorrents by any chance?
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SNOldak924 @ 4th Nov 09:45PM:
Re: Anime here...anime there...anime everywhere!

said by Liquid Lion:

...unless US anime companies start clamping down on LICENSED anime, so the MPAA can't do anything to anime fans...until US anime companies join the MPAA.
US anime? Those two words should never be used in a sentence.
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SirXILE @ 4th Nov 09:52PM:
Re: Truth about hollywood...

said by Amoris692001:

Hollywood is ready to slam you for using BT. I got a letter recently from my ISP saying that the Motion Picture Association knows i've downloaded crap. I'd only been using BT for a week and then I got that letter. So I stopped using BT. I never had anyother problems with things such as IRC. I hate BT.
Same with me 6 months ago. I recieved that letter too. I still like BT for certain things though. :huh: I go other places for the heavy needed things. :uhh:
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a2nxtcrav3r @ 4th Nov 10:19PM:
Re: Anime here...anime there...anime everywhere!

said by SNOldak924:

said by Liquid Lion:


...unless US anime companies start clamping down on LICENSED anime, so the MPAA can't do anything to anime fans...until US anime companies join the MPAA.
US anime? Those two words should never be used in a sentence.
so true... DIE ADV!!! DIE FUNIMATION!!!
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Freezone @ 4th Nov 10:22PM:
Re: Truth about hollywood...

You guys need to use usenet. www.giganews.com
You will never get one of these letter and can pull down stuff full speed.
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kd6cae @ 4th Nov 10:33PM:
I can see why some may not want to upload

Many users have only 128KBPS or 256KBPS upload capacity available to them, and the way TCP works if the upstream link is at capacity, the downstream link will slow since there's no bandwidth to send the ack packets, at least that's how I understand it. I'm fortunate to have a 768KBPS upstream link, so what I tend to do is while downloading I'll set my upload to half my upload capacity, or about 45 kilobytes per second, then when I see my download complete, I'll close the torrent but reopen it with no limits other than my ISP's limit allowing me to upload at about 87K bytes per second. I also have access to a linux server sitting on a 20MBPS link to the internet, and of course on that, I just let things go, that's always fun to watch. I only wish I could give that 87K a second to 1 person so they can download good and fast. that's the only thing I hate about bit torrent, most of my downloads start very very slow and it takes like 10 minutes to hit decent speeds above 1MBPS.. What's cool though is the if you know where to find stuff, the content can rival with what's available on usenet news servers.
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SirXILE @ 4th Nov 10:50PM:
Re: Anime

said by vic102482:

said by Sharingan:

Before Bittorrent it was a drag getting any type of anime. Now with Bitorrent I download anime all the time even the ones i have never even heard of. Naruto was one my first Bittorrent downloads, and boy I never thought this anime was going to be this good.
You should also try Berserk, and Gungrave, those are great animes:).

BT is the king of Anime, Naruto is really good too.

Sharingan is a cheap move though;).
Thanks for those recommendations. I need to get into Anime even more. :)
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SirXILE @ 4th Nov 10:58PM:
Re: 35% is low

said by SlickEnW:

Newsgroups :: no host would satisfy my needs for a reasonable price::
Check out Buzzardnews.com ;)
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Pake @ 4th Nov 11:05PM:
Re: I love BT

said by porkchops:

Boxtorrents by any chance?
I'm an animesuki.com guy myself. Haven't messed with Boxtorrents but once and then they went down for a bit.
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juilinsandar @ 4th Nov 11:16PM:
SBC, BT and Private Networks...

I download at home on my PC with azureus and at work on my Mac with bitconjurer. They both work great, and I get almost all the stuff I could ever want from BT. I use emule to get what BT doesn't have.

Also, having SBC as my ISP kicks much ass!

If I had Roadrunner I'm sure I woulda gotten some of those cease and desist letters by now as I like to share alot.

Finally, private BT networks are the way to go if you want to be "safe" and still get what you need.
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anon @ 5th Nov 12:01AM:
PeerGuardian?

Will using PeerGuardian make you anonymous from them finding you?
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anon @ 5th Nov 02:41AM:
Re: I love BT

BT is already, i think.... or the tech is owned by one guy, but it might be GNU.
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dvd536 @ 5th Nov 03:38AM:
Re: sure it is good...

said by vic102482:

said by mitska:

BT is a great idea to be sure, however total anonymity would be a marked improvement imo.
Outside of (current state) newsgroups, you dont have it.:(
What aboutIRC? those hacked .jp boxen can really push data fast and i doubt the *IAAs are interested in them. long live the pwn3d b0x3n ;)
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GVails @ 5th Nov 06:15AM:
The new face of crime

Amazing - most of these posts are about how to or where to steal. These are the posts of criminals.

Is this the new face of the Internet?
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VirtualLarry @ 5th Nov 06:26AM:
Re: PeerGuardian?

said by hjfaelfe:

Will using PeerGuardian make you anonymous from them finding you?
No, you IP address is openly visible to everyone else on that torrent..

Using BT to download material illegally, is like being under-age, and getting a whole gang of your likewise under-age friends to go with you to the liquor store, and buying a case of beer each, and then walking down main street in broad daylight carrying the beer.

It's not too hard to find you. :)

Ten to one, the cops would be more interested in busting the store that sold you the beer (the uploader), at least a first. But if you keep doing that, then they might bust you too (the downloader).
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t10 @ 5th Nov 08:54AM:
Anime you say?

Berserk>Hellsing>BattleAngel>CowboyBeebop>NinjaScroll>SamuraiX>BoogiepopPhantom>TheLastVampi reHunter>VampireHunterD>GunGrave> joor.

Anyone else dissapointed with latest offerings in Anime?

SamuraiChamploo went plain gay.

Bleach has an amazing idea, but is turned into Sailermoon n shit starting with episode3.

Samurai7, I forced myself trying to watch at least the first episode many many times, I simply cannot do it. Makes me wanna punch my LCD.

HaibaneRenmei yes it picks up after episode7, but couldnt they add some railguns to it or something? I havent seen ANY brain matter splatted on the walls in all of it.

GhostInTheShell2 felt lacking. Just somethign about it doesnt sit well with me.
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vic102482 @ 5th Nov 09:32AM:
Re: I love BT

said by 53059959:

much of the bittorrent warez seems to come from suprnova.org. I remember browsing a few bt traker websites and suprnova was way above the rest in hits. im sure lotsa people would be glad to get rid of suprnova. ha! warez 4 life
Supernova.org is hosted overseas so it cant be touched by the MPAA or RIAA, they do try to track users of the sites however.

And even if they were to bring that site down, there are so many mirrors of it, its not even funny. No less than 15 I have been to.
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vic102482 @ 5th Nov 09:33AM:
Re: I love BT

said by porkchops:

Boxtorrents by any chance?
I love BT, they went down because ADV sued them or something like that, they are now hosted overseas IIRC. I used them until the site went down, now I just bounce around to different ones.:)

I like BT though because their packages are great, they only host seasons or entire series, none of that individual episode crap. Looking for Inuyasha was hell lol.
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nl4jy @ 5th Nov 12:21PM:
Re: Not me

you're the only child in the family right? Learn to share.
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nl4jy @ 5th Nov 12:27PM:
Re: Anime here...anime there...anime everywhere!

agreed whole heartly. I wouldn't say that if they have any decent subbers. Those guys are some of the worst subbers I've ever saw. I like to download cause the fansubbers have way higher quality subs.
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BosstonesOwn @ 5th Nov 04:35PM:
Re: Wasnt designed for annomity

said by lyls:

so i have to pay to download with speeds that depend on other people uploading? no thanks =P
they could seed from servers to help keep the speeds constant.
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denden2002 @ 5th Nov 05:18PM:
Re: Not me

said by DaMaGeINC:

I dont like the idea of being forced to share my bandwidth with the world. So I dont use it. I dont read much into it, but if theirs a client that allows you to disable uploads, then I might use it.
If you dont want to upload then you shouldnt be allowed to download. If everyone had your notion then P2P would cease to exist. It doesnt matter if your upload is 128kbps thats plenty to send out and help another filesharer get his/her copy. You are not excused from sharing due to your lack of speed. When i had my lightning fast 56k modem i used to share all the time, if i downloaded one song i would allow 2 songs to be transmitted before i would close the application.
Dont have the notion also that for your lack of support that others with faster connections will pick up the slack. What you do there is just put extra burden on the seeders to accomidate existing leechers and potential leechers that will log on.

As for Canada, man it rocks to live here. But i heard that the Supreme court of Canada ruled that it was LEGAL to download and ILLEGAL to upload (this was a few months ago). Ive had letters come from MPAA and RIAA (1 each). It did not deter me but it made me question whether the long arm of US influence can reach me..

Can someone give me an article or something that they pulled off the internet showing that its legal to both download and upload?
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whizkid3 @ 5th Nov 09:07PM:
Re: The new face of crime - stealing?

Stealing? Actually, from a legal perspective, stealing is taking something and denying the rightful owner the use of that object.

Downloading is simply copying something. There is no denying the rightful owner the use of what was copied. While copying copyright protected materials is illegal in many instances, (and not in others), it will never be stealing.
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DaMaGeINC @ 5th Nov 09:26PM:
Re: Not me

You all think what you want. If I dont want my files publicly available, thats my right. Ill share other things online, but not p2p. If a buddy wants a file from me, then fine. But not to random people.
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modan @ 5th Nov 11:05PM:
Re: The new face of crime

If making a copy for yourself without distributing it for money is crime, then why do you go to the library and copy some copyrighted books? Although may be you don't copy the whole book, but you CAN do it and nobody will stop you. Besides you "violate" the copyright whether you copy a page or the whole book. How is that not stealing?
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whizkid3 @ 5th Nov 11:54PM:
Re: The new face of crime

It maybe a violation of the copyright and may be a crime. It is not 'stealing' because the legal definition of 'theft' requires that take something and at the same time you deny the rightful owner the 'use' of the object. If you take the book out with you, or rip out a page and take it home, you have stolen it. You haven't stolen anything by making a copy of a page or a book and taking the copy home. Likewise by making a copy of a movie, CD or song, you have not stolen anything.

Violating a copyright isn't stealing, and in most instances it is not even a criminal offense (crime). (It is a crime, of course, if it is done for monetary gain, like bootlegging a CD.) It is a violation of copyright law, not penal law. That is why it is prosecuted in a civil court. If it were 'stealing', you could be charged with a criminal offense, namely theft, in a criminal court of law. I'm not advocating voilating copyrights, but stealing it is not.
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biaachmonkie @ 6th Nov 12:20AM:
Re: i love twins

I though canadian girls didn't shave...
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anon @ 6th Nov 05:30AM:
Re: The new face of crime

Looks like the crooks need to rationalize their actions. Your conscience is bothering you, eh?

Copying some pages out of a book for use in a report or presentation is generally considered "fair use" if you cite the original text.

Downloading a newly released movie is not fair use. It is theft and the downloader is a thief.

You guys know this but are playing little semantic games to try to justify your thievery and claim it is "ok". But it is not and you know it.
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anon @ 6th Nov 06:31AM:
Timewarping

i aint stealing... i`m timewarping!
these film`s episodes etc will all be on normal t.v. in the near future, why should i wait when i can use BT to shift time & space ;)
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modan @ 6th Nov 11:01AM:
Re: The new face of crime

Actually it's perfectly ok and legal (you're also free to play with symantics here) GimmeABreak1. The Canadian judge said so :D. Thank God common sense still prevails in Canada.
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niney @ 6th Nov 05:53PM:
Re: Not me

With BT you're only sharing the files you are downloading, as you're downloading them. You can turn off the upload but in turn that will severely limit the download rate you receive.
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DaMaGeINC @ 7th Nov 01:18AM:
Re: Not me

Thats why I think it sucks.
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anon @ 7th Nov 09:31PM:
You know, you CAN protect yourself....

Protowall and various other tools can help sheild your identity a bit. Just becuase you are connected to a torrent doesn't mean you're getting anything from it. MPAA and RIAA connect to them constantly looking for people to send nasty letters to. They don't actually get anything outside of a user list. If you keep the known addresses blocked from connecting to you, they can only place you at the scene.

I think its high time the law take a second look at the way things are going. Sometimes the law simply isn't sufficient to deal with new technology. Lawmakers need to get with the program here. Copyrights were never intended to protect someone from having their property downloaded for private use. It was intended to protect from someone else selling their intellectual property. Times have changed. Laws should follow suit. Do I have a solution? No. But I can offer the problems for evaluation. In this day and age of copied media and easy to access torrent sites, things MUST be changed. 35% of all internet traffic is BT... how much of that is currently "illegal"? Do we throw everyone in jail? Sue everyone? How many people are still buying cds, movies, books, and games? Enough that the market is still flooded with garbage, letting me know its not a real problem. We are still more than willing to pay for things, and most of us are NOT trying to resell someone elses hard work. But we are treated as such. Go figure.
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anon @ 7th Nov 09:45PM:
Re: PeerGuardian?

It is not a copyright violation to connect to a torrent.

It is not illegal to be in a outside a liquor store.

Your comparisson is lacking.

Your IP shows only that you have connected to a torrent. Any further information CAN be blocked. Being connected is NOT going to get you in trouble.
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anon @ 7th Nov 09:48PM:
Usenet

BT being so popular only means usenet isn't getting the publicity it deserves... Where I can get a huge file off usenet at about 2.4 mbits/s, it's usually only 1/10 the speed off BT, and 1/100 the speed off KaZaA... gotta love that usenet =)
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anon @ 7th Nov 09:53PM:
Re: The new face of crime

Yes and No.

The times have caught up with the law. And surpassed them.

Go read up on what the law was SUPPOSED to do.

Now look at how its applied.

It is not now, nor ever was it considered theft. To apply your morals to a law is asinine.

Does that make it OK or Right? arguable.

If I was a good little kiddie, I'd rush out and shell over $20 @ for a cd, only to find out I had been ripped off. Is that theft? Selling someone something they cannot return that is not what is advertised? No one ever says "This movie sucks". They always portray a movie, game, cd, book as being excellent. This is rarely the case. Should we start suing? I personally feel stolen from. I suppose that makes it theft, by your own standards.

Heck, your post wasted precious moments of my time. You STOLE my time. I should sue YOU. Is this the new face of the internet? Ignorant, morally obsolete banter?

The issue is not as to wether or not downloading a movie is theft. By the laws definition it is NOT. The issue is how should this new age of digital freedom be dealt with.
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anon @ 9th Nov 09:14PM:
Re: Timewarping

Rock on, Dr. Who! I'm timewarpin' too!
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whizkid3 @ 9th Nov 09:57PM:
Stealing? Theft? NOT.

quote:
Looks like the crooks need to rationalize their actions. Your conscience is bothering you, eh?
My conscience is certainly not bothering me. I don't copy movies, books, cds or software - I pay for them.

quote:
Copying some pages out of a book for use in a report or presentation is generally considered "fair use" if you cite the original text.
This is certainly true. Likewise, copying some text from a book online, a soundbite or a short clip of a movie, falls under the same premise. This has held up in the courts.

quote:
Downloading a newly released movie is not fair use.
Downloading any movie is not fair use. Nor is downloading a CD, a book, etc.
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It is theft and the downloader is a thief. You guys know this but are playing little semantic games to try to justify your thievery and claim it is "ok".
Here, you are completely wrong. It is not symantics. The difference between a copyright violation and theft is a lot, lot more. Ask a lawyer or a judge if you don't believe me. The difference between stealing and copyright violation is so immense, its pathetic that anyone can't understand it. Copyright violations are prosecuted in civil court via lawsuits, while theft is prosecuted in a criminal court as a criminal offense, with jail time as a possible outcome. Big difference.

I'm not trying to justify anything - I don't advocate violating copyrights at all. I you bothered to read my post while using your brain, Gimmieabreak1, you would have noticed that never stated its 'OK', but rather the opposite.

Its funny how the anonymous posters come out of the woodwork on this subject. My guess is that 'thou doth protest too much'...
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anon @ 30th Nov 04:12PM:
Who cares? It's just change. Deal.

Why do we even care?
Point and counterpoint...

The legal system has better things to take care of than making sure some company gets their money.

Oh no, then they won't be able to make movies anymore, we must protect them in the interest of art. No. They make too much money. Spend $100+ million on a movie? Yea... they "need" to spend that. I've seen great indie movies. Clearly, if people are pirating, then the "legal" price is too high, and people find alternative means.

BT is my hero. In enables me to download at watch 6-8 shows per week on my own schedule, instead of sacrificing homework/social life in the evenings. Plus, I don't have to watch commercials.

Oh no! The commercials fund the shows!
Yes. Yesteryear. This is a new age - one where we have the ability to easily capture, edit, and share cable broadcasts. Funding may have to be restructured. It's unfortunate for those that may cause work for - deal with it.

DO you want some cheese to go with all that whine?

-TheRequiem13
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anon @ 30th Nov 04:14PM:
Re: Who cares? It's just change. Deal.

Yeah, so this was meant to be in another thread. Oops.
My bad.

(Don't post much here, but if mods are able to move/merge things, please do :) )
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lancern @ 18th Jan 07:54PM:
Adelphia

my conn stoped working today so i called tech support and was told my accout was put on hold due to me breaking piracy policy..i was alowed my service back but was told if i dloaded
any more copyrighted crap my accout would be put on hold for 30 days..and if i do it again banned for life...i was using bittorrent...any how i must keep the data flowing...do u guys think they will bitch if i just dload from usenet and irc?...im gona miss bittorrent:(
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john223 @ 26th Mar 07:22PM:
btinternet-and-MPAA or RIAA ?

hey lads any of u no if BTINTERNET.COM is doing any crap with MPAA or RIAA - I DO A LOT OF DOWNLOADIG & UPLOADING TO ,,USED ALOT OF PROGS LIEK BUT AZURES IS SWEET FOR DOWNLOADING LIKE!

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