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US Broadband Price Comparisons
Prices/speeds/bundles of eight major providers compared
(old news - 02:21PM Tuesday May 22 2007)
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We've dug through pricing information from eight major providers to compare prices, speeds and bundle discounts -- the savings from which aren't always easy to parse out. The latest look at industry pricing sees the rise of the two-year contract, many cable providers only offering discount tiers to canceling customers and a mixed bag when it comes to making pricing clear from region to region.

Prices listed here are not official -- like your connections, they're our "best effort" based on website data, conversations with technicians and what you say you're paying, so please instant message me if you've got changes or corrections (there are sure to be some). Down the road we'll offer comparisons with some of the smaller providers (OOL, Covad) and discuss some contract renegotiation tricks aimed at getting you the lowest rates possible.

Verizon DSL


Verizon offers highlights of their DSL tiers on their website, but detailed information on upstream speeds is behind a prequalification wall. Once inside, you'll find their pricing is largely consistent across markets, though it differs depending on whether you're willing to sign a one-year contract:
•768kbps/128kbps : $14.99 (one-year contract)•3Mbps/768kbps : $19.99 first six months, $29.99 next six months (one-year contract)•3Mbps/768kbps: $37.99 (no contract)
Our users inform us that Verizon used to offer a 7Mbps residential tier. Now, if customers want faster than 3Mbps DSL, they need to shell out $99 for a 7Mbps/768kbps business line. Keep in mind these prices don't include various fees. Customers can get "naked" or unbundled DSL for an additional $5 per month (though not in all areas).

Verizon says they will begin focusing on offering "quadruple play" discounts sometime this year. Check out our forum discussion with Verizon users to see potential price variations based on geography and contract renewal.

Verizon FiOS


Verizon also offers fiber-to-the-home services known as FiOS. Verizon does a great job making their FiOS pricing easily accessible here. FiOS prices also change drastically depending on whether you're willing to sign a one-year contract:
•5Mbps/2Mbps : $39.95 (one-year contract•15Mbps/2Mbps : $49.95 (one-year contract)•30Mbps/5Mbps : $54.95-$199.95 depending on area (one-year contract)•5Mbps/2Mbps : $47.99 (no contract)•15Mbps/2Mbps : $57.99 (no contract)•30Mbps/5Mbps : $199.95 (no contract)
Earlier this year, Verizon upgraded these packages to 10Mbps/2Mbps, 20Mbps/5Mbps, and 50Mbps/5Mbps in Connecticut, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island. Other areas are expected to receive these free upgrades at some point, but Verizon has not announced when that will happen.

Customers who commit to a year of service receive free installation and associated equipment, but they must still pay a one-time $19.99 activation fee. Customers that do not wish to sign a one-year contract must pay a $69.99 installation fee. Unlike Verizon DSL, there's very few added fees associated with FiOS. In many service areas, Verizon also offers a $5 monthly discount for a bundle of two services (TV, Internet) and a $10 monthly discount for bundling of three (TV, Internet, phone).

AT&T DSL


Like Verizon, AT&T's prices are largely consistent across markets. Their website directly advertises the base price and downstream speeds, but upstream speeds are behind a prequalification wall:
•Basic: 768kbps/384kbps $14.99•Express: 1.5Mbps/384kbps $19.99•Pro: 3Mbps/512kbps : $24.99•Elite: 6Mbps/768kbps : $34.99
For customers who cannot get "naked" (or "dry loop") DSL, these prices are in addition to the cost of a local phone line. In areas where standalone DSL is offered, it's often more expensive than getting DSL and a landline. Bundled discounts are available and vary by region. Customers can save 5-10% depending on which bundle they sign up for. Bundle options are so varied it seems like you wouldn't know if you saved money until your bill arrived.

AT&T is the only major ISP currently offering a true "quadruple play" bundle (broadband, VoIP, IPTV, wireless) for $134.97.

AT&T U-Verse


AT&T has also, of course, begun offering VDSL service bundled with IPTV, known around these parts as U-Verse. U-Verse is currently available in portions of sixteen major markets, and pricing is clearly listed, though some information resides behind a prequalification wall. VDSL is offered in three tiers:
•Express: 1.5Mbps/1Mbps•Pro: 3Mbps/1Mbps•Elite: 6Mbps/1Mbps
Pricing for U-Verse varies depending on what TV package you bundle (Express/Pro/Elite):
•U-family (50 channels): $59/$64/$74•U100 (100 channels): $59/$64/$74•U200 (190 channels): $74/$79/$89•U300 (240 channels, 34 premium channels): $94/$99/$100•U400 (300 channels, 49 premium channels): $114/$119/$129
AT&T has been running a number of promotions for U-Verse, including free HD for a year and free TV for the first two months.

BellSouth


Unlike AT&T and Verizon, upstream data speeds are included on their website alongside downstream speeds and prices. Speeds and prices are also largely consistent across markets:
•DSL Lite: 256kbps/128kbps : $24.95•DSL Ultra - 1.5Mbps/256kbps : $32.95•DSL Xtreme: 3Mbps/384kbps : $37.95•DSL Xtreme 6.0: 6Mbps/512kbps : $42.95
As BellSouth was recently acquired by AT&T, you can expect the AT&T prices to eventually be applied to BellSouth territory. The best estimate we've been able to glean from insiders is that this should happen sometime during the second half of this year.

Qwest


Qwest does a great job making their pricing easily accessible and not hidden behind a prequalification wall -- directly showing upstream speeds from the start:
•Qwest Choice : 256kbps/256kbps : $31.99•Qwest Choice Silver: 1.5Mbps/896kbps : $44.99•Qwest Choice Platinum: (up to) 7Mbps/896kbps : $54.99
The company offers $5 off your price if you bundle one service, $10 for two, $20 for three and a $37 discount if you bundle four services. The company also offers 256kbps ($31.95), 1.5Mbps ($44.95) and 3Mbps ($54.99) VDSL service in the Phoenix and Denver areas. Qwest was the first baby bell to market with unbundled DSL for $5 more a month.

There are some pricing variations based on geography discussed by our users in our Qwest forum.

Comcast


Comcast's pricing page lists the downstream speeds for their tiers, but hides their upstream speeds behind a prequalification wall:
•Economy: 384 kbps/384 kbps : $39.95 (not advertised)•Performance Lite: 4Mbps/384 kbps : $42.95•Performance: 6Mbps/384kbps-768kbps : $59.95•Performance Plus: 8Mbps/768 kbps : $67.95•Blast!: 16Mbps/1Mbps : $67.95 (select areas)•Blast!: 16000 kbps / 2000 kbps : $67.95 (select areas)
Comcast Blast! is generally offered in areas with competition from Verizon FiOS -- something you'll see continued with deployment of even faster DOCSIS 3.0 service in 2008. As with most providers, bundling two services (Comcast Cable TV or Comcast Digital Phone) can net you savings:
•Economy: 384kbps/384kbps : $29.95 (not available for new subscription)•Performance: 6Mbps/384kbps : $42.95•Performance: 6Mbps/768kbps : $42.95 (select areas)•Performance Plus: 8Mbps/768kbps : $52.95•Blast!: 16Mbps/1Mbps : $52.95 (select areas)•Blast!: 16Mbps/2Mbps : $52.95 (select areas)
Comcast also offers users introductory rates on triple play services ranging from $90.99 to $159.99 based on local competition and services added. Like Qwest, Comcast will lock customers in at these rates if they're willing to sign two-year contracts (the letter sent out to customers can be found here).

Despite some regional variations, Comcast is probably the most consistent of the major cable providers with regard to pricing.

Cox


Cox price and speed presentation varies depending on region (see San Diego versus Arizona). Price and speed ranges across markets are as follows:
•Economy: 768kbps/256kbps : $14.95-$16.99 (select areas)•Value: 1.5Mbps/256kbps-384kbps : $26.95-$29.95•Preferred: 6-7Mbps/512kbps-2Mbps : $41.95-$51.95•Premier: 10-15Mbps/1-2Mbps : $54.95-$64.95
Unlike Comcast, Cox offers a wider variety of speeds and prices to react to local competitive pressures (or the lack thereof). While Cox users in Northern Virginia get 15Mbps/2Mbps for $56.99, a Cox customer in Oklahoma only gets 12Mbps for that same price.

As with other cable providers, their "Economy" tier is advertised in some markets, but used as a customer retention tool in others. Cox bundles also vary by market (ex: Oklahoma), but like most other providers they frequently offer a $99 triple-play bundle.

Time Warner Cable


Like Cox, Time Warner Cable pricing and speed varies drastically from market to market, and the company hides all pricing behind a prequalification wall. Clarity of regional pricing websites ranges from relatively clear to absolutely cryptic. Price and speed vary across markets, but generally fall into these ranges:
•Lite: 256kbps-1.5Mbps/128kbps-384kbps : $24.95-$34.95•Standard: 4Mbps-10Mbps/384kbps-1Mbps : $34.95-$59.95•Extreme/Turbo: 7Mbps-15Mbps/512kbps-2Mbps : $54.95-$84.95
Time Warner Cable might be the most geographically inconsistent provider we're tracking. With the company still integrating their Adelphia customers, users tell us speeds sometimes aren't consistent within the same city, much less the state. Time Warner Cable offers customers a $5 discount if they bundle two services and a $15 discount if they bundle all three. Their "lite" tier is advertised in some markets and used as a customer retention tool in others.

Charter


While Charter advertises their downstream speeds directly, prices and upstream speeds vary by market and are hidden behind a prequalification wall. Even then, some users who enter their regional information tell us regional speed availability isn't always accurate. These are the speed and price ranges as reported by our users:
•Charter HSI 3.0: 3 Mbps/256kbps : $39.99-$54.99•Charter HSI 5.0: 5Mbps/512kbps : $51.99-$59.99•Charter HSI 10.0: 10Mbps/1Mbps : $69.99-$79.99
Charter customers who bundle two services usually see a monthly discount of $10. The company does offer a $99 introductory triple play deal in certain markets.

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All speeds are best effort and may vary depending on the distance from your CO or other local network conditions. Note that there is an endless sea of promotional rates that can net you a wide variety of discounts. Your best bet is to consistently check your provider's website for the latest deals, though we'll be renewing our focus on bringing these to you when they occur.

Thanks to all of our readers who gave their time to make this data accurate.

Again, please IM me corrections and use the comment section below to tell us how much you're paying per month.

Update: One user gives a good bill example of how fees and surcharges (many of which are not government mandated) significantly add to these advertised prices.

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ColorBASIC @ 22nd May 12:49PM:
Great work Karl!

Know you have been working on this for a while. Lots of good info, like there are some poor suckers paying $85 for TWC Extreme service. Ouch.
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire

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rogue_ @ 22nd May 12:52PM:
OOL ?

Cablevision?
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T1 Rocky @ 22nd May 12:53PM:
$15 dsl with forced bundling

The cheapest you can get dsl for is $55 per month because they require you to get a phone line and then you have to sign up for 3 features on the calling plan plus long distance + taxes + muni fees etc. So I've always objected to them advertising $15 dsl. That doesn't exist.

Great research though. Thanks for putting it together.
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MadMANN @ 22nd May 12:56PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by ColorBASIC :

Know you have been working on this for a while. Lots of good info. . .
I have to agree.
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ColorBASIC @ 22nd May 12:56PM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

He noted that VZ does naked DSL in some areas for $5 more.
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Turbocpe @ 22nd May 01:01PM:
Statement

quote:
All DSL speeds are "up to" best effort...


I don't think that applies to DSL speeds only, like that statement sort of suggests, but applies to cable as well.
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pb5k @ 22nd May 01:06PM:
Re: Statement

I agree, any residential broadband is considered by the provider to be "best effort", though that's not what they emphasize in their advertising. :D

If there is a residential provider that guarantees a level of service, I'd like to know who they are.
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Theodore Roosevelt

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Hall @ 22nd May 01:09PM:
Re: OOL ?

Cablevision is only available in one, small region.
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djrobx @ 22nd May 01:13PM:
Re: Statement

quote:
I don't think that applies to DSL speeds only, like that statement sort of suggests, but applies to cable as well.
But with DSL it has a different meaning. SBC/AT&T, in particular, advertises "up to" speed tiers that you may be able to order but not necessarily acheive the top end of due to line conditions.

In other words, on DSL you might order "Up To 1.5mbps" and end up with a 768kbps sync rate that you can never exceed because you are too far from the CO or RT. Cable doesn't have this limitation so it does not apply. Either you get full service or you don't.

This is different from the other part of "best effort" speeds which do apply to all internet providers, which includes protocol overhead, oversold bandwidth, and general networking stuff that takes away from acheiving maximum theoretical throughput.
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Laser eye surgery rocks! I love frickin' laser beams.

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kelso @ 22nd May 01:18PM:
Rate Difference

Currently in Ashburn Va, the Comcast Economy Tier is 24.95 bundled not 29.95 listed in the article.
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dadkins @ 22nd May 01:18PM:
Great Job Karl!

Great Job Karl! :)

*I* have Standard Cable TV and HSI from Comcast.

I pay the Extra $10.00 per month for speed.

Comcast HSI with *ANY* TV service is $42.95 per month.
+ $10.00 per month for speed makes it $52.95 per month.

Modem rental adds $3.00 per month(I own my modem).

My speeds are rated at 8000kbps/768kbps.
Actual speeds are 8600kbps/724kbps.

PowerBoost is not accounted for in this post because it doesn't last, and it only affects the first part of large downloads and uploads.
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Karl Bode @ 22nd May 01:22PM:
Re: Rate Difference

Added...
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Turbocpe @ 22nd May 01:27PM:
Re: Statement

I now can see that point, but not sure if it generally is seen that way. Personally that is not how I read the statement as, and I have DSL and cable service myself.

In my case, with Qwest, the qualifier webpage appears to do a fairly good job of telling you what speeds your address or phone number can qualify for. I've heard many times where the local technicians, if possible, will see that you get that speed you signed up for if it's easily within their control.
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BosstonesOwn @ 22nd May 01:28PM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

not true ! round these parts any way. my grandmother has verizon dsl for $15 and pays $13 for local only line, doesn't require anything else.

I ordered it for her about 9 months ago, so I should know the price.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"

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jessegr @ 22nd May 01:32PM:
Canadian

Canadian Version :D
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mglunt @ 22nd May 01:35PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

Forgot to mention the $12-$15 that companies like Comcast charge for not having TV. $12-$15 more AND they give you a slower speed.
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ColorBASIC @ 22nd May 01:36PM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

No interstate subscriber line charge? Here that is $6 on top of the $10 basic POTS line. Plus USF, plus 9-1-1 and a few other smaller fees. Here the cheapest Verizon line is about $20 after all the fees and taxes.
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire

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ColorBASIC @ 22nd May 01:37PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

Yep, that's the "How dare you not have our crappy CATV?!?" fee. When I had ATTBi which didn't have the fee, I saw a 30% price increase when Comcast took over because of the fee. When Time Warner took over, their "penalty" is $5 on top of the service being cheaper (and no monthly usage caps enforced). Comcast fanboys would say it's a bundling discount, but the penalty doesn't work the other way. You don't get a CATV penalty when you don't have HSI.
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire

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nirvansk815 @ 22nd May 01:38PM:
Great Idea

Thanks Carl... this is something I would love to see updated every month! Great idea.
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There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad?

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drslash @ 22nd May 01:42PM:
Mediacom

Great article Karl! Thumbs up!

Mediacom prices vary by market. These are my prices.

Standard 8Mbps/512kbps : $44.95-$54.95
VIP(triple play) 10Mbps/1Mbps : $44.95-$54.95
OnlineMax: 15Mbps/1Mbps : $59.95-$69.95
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Save water...drink beer!

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en102 @ 22nd May 02:26PM:
Re: Statement

Yup...
They have to specify
384-1500/128-384 kbps
1500-3000/384-512-384 kbps
3000-6000/512-768 kbps

Don't forget to note... at&t lines also don't include overhead, and that's actually sync rate, not user end rate.

E.g. my sync rate is 2496kbps / 512kbps, and throughput is
just over 2Mbps down, 400kbps up.
                                                                              
Line Status: Up Collisions: 0 Rx Pkts: 604337
Upstream Speed: 512 kbps CPU Load = 2.64%
Downstream Speed: 2496 kbps


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Turbocpe @ 22nd May 02:38PM:
Re: Mediacom

Mediacom also has a "light"/"economy" tier that does not appear to be advertised or for new customers, much like Comcast's economy tier listed.
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myosh @ 22nd May 02:42PM:
Re: Statement

said by djrobx :

But with DSL it has a different meaning. SBC/AT&T, in particular, advertises "up to" speed tiers that you may be able to order but not necessarily acheive the top end of due to line conditions.
When I signed up a couple of years ago, the Pro package was advertised as 1.5 to 3 Mbps download and 384 to 512 Kbps upload. In other words, packages had a minimum speed as well as a maximum speed but it looks like AT&T changed that.

Edit: My sync rate is 3008/512 and I consistently get 2500/420


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wifi4milez @ 22nd May 02:44PM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

said by ColorBASIC :

No interstate subscriber line charge? Here that is $6 on top of the $10 basic POTS line. Plus USF, plus 9-1-1 and a few other smaller fees. Here the cheapest Verizon line is about $20 after all the fees and taxes.
That sounds like a bargain to me. Here its over $40 for basic dial tone! Of course I (grudgingly) have a POTS line in addition to my VoIP line, but some markets (like mine) are a total rip off.
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DOStradamus @ 22nd May 02:45PM:
Dry vs. Land-Line DSL Cost Comparers Might Have Forgot....

..."Taxes", "Fees", and "Surcharges"! Possibly enough to tilt it the other way...

I have the absolutely least expensive non-subsidized landline that will qualify me for DSL...

It's quoted monthly charges are $5.70/month
BUT WAIT!


As documented above, "taxes", et.al., bloat the actual amount I fork over for it each month to more than double that amount -- $11.82

Anyone have a "Dry" connection from their telco out there? How much the below is tacked on to your $6 or $10.00 you pay each month.. "I showed you mine, now you show me yours!" :D

-NK

"A nickel here, a dime there"
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Turbocpe @ 22nd May 02:50PM:
Re: Statement

said by en102 :

Don't forget to note... at&t lines also don't include overhead, and that's actually sync rate, not user end rate.
That's true for the majority of the providers, DSL or cable. While DSL has a sync rate, and you can't exceed or see that speed, cable has speed caps that also mean you cannot exceed or see those speeds. Both DSL and cable have overhead, though DSL does have more.

I believe there was/is atleast one ISP that overcaps, which sets your modem's speed cap slightly higher than the advertised speed, to help compensate for overhead, thus allowing you to see more of the advertised speed. I thought it was Charter.
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Packeteers @ 22nd May 02:57PM:
Re: Dry vs. Land-Line DSL Cost Comparers Might Have Forgot....

nobody calls it "naked" DSL,
it's called a "dry loop" DSL.
Verizon does 3mbit for $40/mo
and you can then port your old
local number to your cell phone.
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ARGONAUT @ 22nd May 03:00PM:
USA has lost the speed war!

Compare speed and price from other countries and the US looks sad. :huh:
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myosh @ 22nd May 03:03PM:
Re: Dry vs. Land-Line DSL Cost Comparers Might Have Forgot....

OK, I don't have a dry line but here's what my June bill will look like...

Residential Flat Rate Service     $10.83
Surcharges (incl USF) 5.61
Gov't Taxes & Fees 1.30
AT&T Long Distance 3.00
Long Distance Fees/Taxes 1.42
Phone Total: $22.16

DSL Pro Pkg (3000/512) $24.99

TOTAL BILL: $47.15

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nnaarrnn @ 22nd May 03:06PM:
"naked dsl"

I have a dry loop from VZ. No phone anything, just 1.5/384 DSL. It's 29.99/month + $10 for not having POTS. That's it. $2/month discount for 1yr contract. 36.99/month is my total. Same price for 3mb/768. Verizon's database just says i'm way too far from the CO. (which is wrong)
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MadMANN @ 22nd May 03:07PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by mglunt :

Forgot to mention the $12-$15 that companies like Comcast charge for not having TV. $12-$15 more AND they give you a slower speed.
I believe this was covered in the article. One list of prices is for HSI only and the other list clearly states the prices if you have other services

As with most providers, bundling two services (Comcast Cable TV or Comcast Digital Phone) can net you savings:

# Economy: 384kbps/384kbps : $29.95 (not available for new subscription)
# Performance: 6Mbps/384kbps : $42.95
# Performance: 6Mbps/768kbps : $42.95 (select areas)
# Performance Plus: 8Mbps/768kbps : $52.95
# Blast!: 16Mbps/1Mbps : $52.95 (select areas)
# Blast!: 16Mbps/2Mbps : $52.95 (select areas)

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RadioDoc @ 22nd May 03:07PM:
Re: OOL ?

"Down the road we'll offer comparisons with some of the smaller providers (OOL, Covad) "

Reading is fundamental.
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Toolmaster of La Grange.

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emptywig @ 22nd May 03:12PM:
But What About Extra Fees and Charges?

While I appreciate the time and effort taken to compile this list, I am disappointed that it omits the single biggest annoyance that comes with trying to analyze what BB is going to cost you, and that is the extra fees, taxes, and mandatory extra charges (modem rental, etc.) that are tacked on. While interesting, I don't find it particularly useful.

What I would like to see an extra section that gives us a yearly cost for service, one lump sum that represents what the broadband ACTUALLY COSTS YOU each year. That would be truly useful.

Good start, though.

wig
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Sometimes a paradox is just a paradox

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Ebolla @ 22nd May 03:15PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

Why is it shocking that a cable company has a discount on services other then cable when you subscribe to cable. I am sorry but it IS a bundle discount. Phone and CHSI? discounted CHSI, cable and CHSI? discounted CHSI. I guess by the reasoning you provide that it is a "penalty" that when you don't buy things on sale at a store you are paying a "penalty" for not waiting for a sale.
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fatmanskinny @ 22nd May 03:17PM:
Re: Great Job Karl!

I second that! Excellent work.
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Karl Bode @ 22nd May 03:26PM:
Re: But What About Extra Fees and Charges?

Fees vary so drastically by provider, state and city that I figured it should be a different article entirely. There's also the touchy debate over whether many of these are legitimate fees or rate hikes disguised as below the line itemized charges that I didn't want derailing this report....
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Bobcat @ 22nd May 03:30PM:
No fees with Verizon DSL

Keep in mind these prices don't include various fees.
My $29.95/month Verizon DSL costs me a total of $29.95/month. There are no "various fees".
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emptywig @ 22nd May 03:50PM:
Re: But What About Extra Fees and Charges?

Fair enough on the fees varying, but you could ask for people to send in their bills and do an average. That's be good enough, I think.

As far as the touchy debate - if its on the bill each month it doesn't matter whether people think its a surreptitious rate increase or a fee, what it IS is a charge that must be paid.

Its like gas prices. It doesn't matter to the consumer that x-percent of the price is the cost of oil, and y-percent of the price is the cost of refining, etc. All that matters to the person buying the gas is that its $3.08/gal. (or whatever)

Present it exactly like the companies present it on the bill- retail price, plus everything else below the line and tot it all up. All the rest is politics.

Cheers,

wig
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Sometimes a paradox is just a paradox

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ninjatutle @ 22nd May 03:51PM:
Cellular phones and VOIP please

Since you have a lot of time on your hands, can you do one for the devices above :)
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fonzbear2000 @ 22nd May 04:26PM:
something VERY important not mentioned for qwest

their price for the price for life guarantee:
»www.qwest.com/residential/intern···ers.html
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richardpor @ 22nd May 04:34PM:
Re: USA has lost the speed war!

I begin to think the word war should be banned from the Queens English for obfuscation and rhetoric. Tell good fellow where is congress declaration of war over broadband speed. Where are your armies marching to conquer Japan because they have faster speeds? It is utterly ridiculous to cal this war.
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mglunt @ 22nd May 04:51PM:
Re: Great work Karl!


No, it wasn't.

Comcast HSI is almost $60 a month for their slowest non "economy" plan. The $42.95 price is if you have their TV.
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MadMANN @ 22nd May 04:56PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by mglunt :

No, it wasn't.

Comcast HSI is almost $60 a month for their slowest non "economy" plan. The $42.95 price is if you have their TV.
Again, from the article: The first list WITHOUT VIDEO OR CDV

# Economy: 384 kbps/384 kbps : $39.95 (not advertised)
# Performance Lite: 4Mbps/384 kbps : $42.95
# Performance: 6Mbps/384kbps-768kbps : $59.95
# Performance Plus: 8Mbps/768 kbps : $67.95
# Blast!: 16Mbps/1Mbps : $67.95 (select areas)
# Blast!: 16000 kbps / 2000 kbps : $67.95 (select areas)
Karl didn't mention "fee" because I think he was counting on the reader to be able to add/subtract to compare the difference between the two lists.
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mglunt @ 22nd May 04:56PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

The issue I have is this....

This story shows the FULL NON-BUNDLED price for something like Verizon FIOS, but then a note at the bottom about the discount.

For Comcast, it shows the Discounted BUNDLE rate in the main list without mention of the non-bundle price anywhere.

For example... I just called Comcast.

$57.95 for 4Mbps service without TV
$42.95 for 6Mpbs service with TV.

Comcrap is not only charging $15 more, but giving less! Thank God FIOS came in just before Comcast took over Adelphia here (who didn't charge more for non-TV customers - they stopped doing it)

The list here for Comcast should have listed $57.95 as the price of the service with a note about the $15 discount for bundling - just as they (dslreports) did for the FIOS.
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Jovi @ 22nd May 05:05PM:
Distance is key

Posted this as per Karl's suggestion.

I had Verizon dsl for years. I now have Comcast. Since I was slightly over 11,000 line feet from my Central Office, I was only able to get 1.5Mbps/384kbps for the same $29.99 price as the ones closer to the CO getting 3Mbps/768kpbs. Comparing say Comcast HSI for $42.95(with tv) 6Mbps/384kb versus 1.5Mbps/384kbps with Verizon dsl, $13 may not seem that bad for a bonus 5.5Mbps+(and Powerboost). Just wanted to note that $29.99* with Verizon dsl should include an asterisk meaning within distance. ;)
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Rick @ 22nd May 05:14PM:
Thanks Karl..

I know that was a lot of work for you and it's appreciated.

I find it interesting that both Cox and TW choose to offer competitively priced lower tiers, while Comcast refuses to.

Cox's in particular is compelling and very much in line with what the telco's offer.

"Economy: 768kbps/256kbps : $14.95-$16.99 (select areas)
Value: 1.5Mbps/256kbps-384kbps : $26.95-$29.95"

Comcast does offer the 384k tier in some areas but at almost 30.00, it's hardly worth it.

I do think they could do well if they were to change their strategy a bit and start offering what COX does.
For those with cable tv already, it would let them cancel their pots line in favor of VOIP. Perhaps their concern is that they would cannibalize customers from the 42.95 tier but I really don't think it would be all that many.
Those people probably already are DSL customers anyway.

Anyways..interesting to see the comparisons.
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ieolus @ 22nd May 05:17PM:
Re: Cellular phones and VOIP please

lol, go to »www.cellularphonereports.com and »www.voipreports.com for those! :)
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djrobx @ 22nd May 05:20PM:
Re: Statement

quote:
I believe there was/is atleast one ISP that overcaps, which sets your modem's speed cap slightly higher than the advertised speed, to help compensate for overhead, thus allowing you to see more of the advertised speed. I thought it was Charter.
Verizon is known to over-cap their DSL to compensate for ATM overhead. Comcast seems to over-cap their download speeds by 10% (e.g. 6600kbps cap on 6mbps service), although its harder to determine now with PowerBoost.
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furlonium @ 22nd May 05:26PM:
Re: Thanks Karl..

Awesome read, good work.

Is RCN not as big a player, since it's not listed?
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Karl Bode @ 22nd May 05:40PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

You're right, for consistent format's sake. I will change that.
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anon @ 22nd May 05:47PM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

Not entirely true. With ATT you no longer have to sign up for 3 features on your calling plan plus long distance. I have Express DSL with no long distance, I use my cell phone, and just a phone line.
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ColorBASIC @ 22nd May 05:58PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

No one here ever saw their prices drop. Those with HSI and no CATV like me saw our rates skyrocket 30%. Those with HSI and CATV saw their HSI rate stay exactly the same. There was no discount, EVER. The ONLY change to anyone's bill was a price increase for those HSI subs without CATV.

Sorry but an avoidance of an increase isn't a discount no matter how Comcast apologists try and phrase it.

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en102 @ 22nd May 06:02PM:
Re: USA has lost the speed war!

Agreed - especially since nobody's really (at a corp level anyways) in it to have the highest speed if they don't have to. Competition between cable and telco (VZ FiOS anyways) has led to this. Also, 'there's no such thing as a free lunch', they'll find ways to recoup the cost in the end.
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anon @ 22nd May 06:48PM:
Re: Thanks Karl..

This is just for residential, I hope you people don't use these services for business purposes.
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en102 @ 22nd May 06:06PM:
Re: Thanks Karl..

Who ? :D
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Ebolla @ 22nd May 06:52PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

no YOU saw an increase in your area due to pricing going from Adelphia's pricing to comcasts pricing. I didnt see anything except a decrease as it has always run that way with billing. Comparing pricing from one company to another isnt exactly an accurate representation of the facts.
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lilhurricane @ 22nd May 06:55PM:
Re: Great Job Karl!

Nice compilation..thank you!
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furlonium @ 22nd May 07:19PM:
Re: Thanks Karl..

said by RFG78 :

This is just for residential, I hope you people don't use these services for business purposes.
Is downloading a ton of porn considered a business purpose? I can think of a lot of people who would like to think it is.
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ColorBASIC @ 22nd May 08:12PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

ATTBi's pricing. MediaOne - ATTB - Comcast - Time Warner.

Comcast instituted the penalty 6 months after taking over from ATTB. That's 6 months before suddenly and with no notice taking a 30% increase. The only direction the bills went was up. No one saw any discount, only increases or no changes.

Avoiding a price increase is not discount no matter how you or Brian Roberts want to spin it.
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damox @ 22nd May 09:23PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

Yeah! That's why I went with Basic Basic Cable (not the same basic as the $40+ package - but a hold over from TCI and ATTBI) for $15.00 a month, which "basically" comes out to free cable since I'd have to pay $59 anyway if I didn't have cable! Before that, we didn't have TV reception. I'm not sure if were better off now, because I probably watch too much TV, though my kids really don't watch that much anyway. I'm reasonably satisfied with Comcast, but have considered getting the Performance Plus package 8Mbps/768kbps for $52.95! I've been putting that off.

Having said that, I sure wish that Verizon FiOS was available here! I mean 15Mbps/2Mbps for $49.95? That's got to be the best in the US, for the buck. Unfortunately it doesn't come anywhere close to some other countries like Korea and Japan who reportedly have 100 megabits. That's another story however.

I do want to say that I really appreciate Karl's excellent work on this.
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mglunt @ 23rd May 12:17AM:
Re: Great work Karl!

Well then his pricing is off a bit.

$57.95 is what I would pay for HSI only and I would receive 4Mbps.
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mglunt @ 23rd May 12:23AM:
Re: Great work Karl!



I remember years ago when Comcast first started the bundle "discount". I was a DTV customer for TV, and paying roughly $40 for HSI and a Modem rental from Comcast.

Then, Comcast decided to offer this bundle "discount" as you call it.

Only problem with the "discount" was that the people with Comcast TV just got to keep on paying the same rate, but the people without Comcast TV got to pay $5 (I think that's what it was at the time) more for service.

In other words when the "discounts" as you call them went into effect, nobody saw their bills drop. How then is it a discount?
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batterup @ 23rd May 10:33AM:
50Mbps/5Mbps for me??

How many DVDs from Holland is that?
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ColorBASIC @ 23rd May 10:38AM:
Re: Great work Karl!

It's $50 for 15/2 only if you sign a 1 year contract. Otherwise they charge a big install fee an an $8 per month "How dare you not want to get locked into a Verizon contract?!?" penalty.

In my service area, TWC's non-contract price is a few bucks cheaper than FiOS' non-contract for the same 15/2 service.

As for 100Mb services, Cogent supplies 1Gb services to MUDs here though availability is limited. We just get to hear about the "best" available elsewhere leaving some with the impression that US BB sucks when nothing could be farther from the truth.
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ColorBASIC @ 23rd May 10:40AM:
Re: Great work Karl!

In our area Comcast's out of nowhere penalty was $14.00. I just opened my bill and one month and it jumped from $42.95 to $56.95. Additionally I was passed over for many of the speed increases Comcast had. Comcast really socked it to you on many fronts if you didn't want their crappy CATV service.
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johnh123 @ 23rd May 10:44AM:
Re: USA has lost the speed war!

said by ARGONAUT :

Compare speed and price from other countries and the US looks sad. :huh:
Why is that? Take a look at speedtest.net - we are actually doing pretty good, speedwise.
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ColorBASIC @ 23rd May 10:48AM:
Re: USA has lost the speed war!

Couldn't care less.
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batterup @ 23rd May 10:49AM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by damox :



Having said that, I sure wish that Verizon FiOS was available here! I mean 15Mbps/2Mbps for $49.95? That's got to be the best in the US, for the buck. Unfortunately it doesn't come anywhere close to some other countries like Korea and Japan who reportedly have 100 megabits. That's another story however.


How many times will this false statement be repeated. That 100 meg is only available to multi unit dwellings not individuals.
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batterup @ 23rd May 11:05AM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

said by wifi4milez :

said by ColorBASIC :

No interstate subscriber line charge? Here that is $6 on top of the $10 basic POTS line. Plus USF, plus 9-1-1 and a few other smaller fees. Here the cheapest Verizon line is about $20 after all the fees and taxes.
That sounds like a bargain to me. Here its over $40 for basic dial tone! Of course I (grudgingly) have a POTS line in addition to my VoIP line, but some markets (like mine) are a total rip off.
In New Jersey my 1FR service totals $18.37 a month. It is not the cheapest plan, there are two less expensive but I only know what mine costs. Verizon gets $14.95 and those that slop at the public trough get $3.43 nearly %20 tax.

Flat Rate Service $8.45
Federal Subscriber Line Charge $6.50
Federal Universal Service Fee $0.76
Federal excise tax $0.23
State tax $0.63
E911 tax $1.80
Total of $18.37
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T1 Rocky @ 23rd May 11:36AM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

said by bob cobb :

Not entirely true. With ATT you no longer have to sign up for 3 features on your calling plan plus long distance. I have Express DSL with no long distance, I use my cell phone, and just a phone line.
You are the exception. One of the provisions of the merger between SBC and BellSouth was that they had to start offering "naked dsl" which is dsl without a phone line. They never did. 2 years later in January 07 one of the provisions to allow AT&T and SBC to merge was that they were required to offer naked dsl...yet again.

Your the first person I've heard of who has gotten it. Here's some posts from people wanting it and not being able to get it:
»groups.google.com/group/dfw.inte···176958/#

»groups.google.com/group/dfw.inte···738b48/#
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wifi4milez @ 23rd May 12:12PM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

said by batterup :

said by wifi4milez :

said by ColorBASIC :

No interstate subscriber line charge? Here that is $6 on top of the $10 basic POTS line. Plus USF, plus 9-1-1 and a few other smaller fees. Here the cheapest Verizon line is about $20 after all the fees and taxes.
That sounds like a bargain to me. Here its over $40 for basic dial tone! Of course I (grudgingly) have a POTS line in addition to my VoIP line, but some markets (like mine) are a total rip off.
In New Jersey my 1FR service totals $18.37 a month. It is not the cheapest plan, there are two less expensive but I only know what mine costs. Verizon gets $14.95 and those that slop at the public trough get $3.43 nearly %20 tax.

Flat Rate Service $8.45
Federal Subscriber Line Charge $6.50
Federal Universal Service Fee $0.76
Federal excise tax $0.23
State tax $0.63
E911 tax $1.80
Total of $18.37
WOW thats cheap. Maybe I should consider moving to NJ! :D
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tamovies @ 23rd May 12:46PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

TWC Extreme in Rumford, ME is 8/768 and $85 a month! Its awful, you can get faster dsl around here.

»www.gwi.net
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batterup @ 23rd May 06:41PM:
Re: $15 dsl with forced bundling

said by wifi4milez :

WOW thats cheap. Maybe I should consider moving to NJ! :D
If people would look at their bill they will see most of what makes POST expensive they don't need or have to get. POTS is not bundled. As I stated I have 1FR service, the most expensive POTS in one of the most expensive states.
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damox @ 23rd May 11:08PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by ColorBASIC :

It's $50 for 15/2 only if you sign a 1 year contract. Otherwise they charge a big install fee an an $8 per month "How dare you not want to get locked into a Verizon contract?!?" penalty.
Let me tell you, I'd sign a one year contract to get the 15/2 in a heart beat! That's way better than I can get out here, and the only real competition to Comcast is Qwest, and their offerings are not even as good as what I got.
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damox @ 23rd May 11:12PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by batterup :

How many times will this false statement be repeated. That 100 meg is only available to multi unit dwellings not individuals.
Well that may be, but according to this article:

»Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

. . . their average bandwidth is still way better than ours!
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batterup @ 24th May 03:02AM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by ColorBASIC :

It's $50 for 15/2 only if you sign a 1 year contract. Otherwise they charge a big install fee an an $8 per month "How dare you not want to get locked into a Verizon contract?!?" penalty.

I grow weary shovelling crap against the tide. I can see the light though and all will be right with America's network once again. Can you say, do you want fries with that? Sure you can.
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anon @ 24th May 04:33AM:
cable internet price reasoning

The reason that cable carriers charge more for cable internet subscribers who don't have cable t.v. than they do for those subscribers with cable t.v. and internet is that they can't split the signal (meaning that if you buy cable internet you get cable t.v. with it {not intentionally} they don't want you to know that). They could split the signal if they wanted to but it would include adding a filter onto the lines at each house that just has cable internet. To reiterate the higher price for the non-bundle is their way of getting money out of you for a service you get without knowing about it in case you decide to split that cable line to your t.v. and modem. Please keep this on the down-low though, don't go blasting it all over the internet lol.
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bohn @ 24th May 06:42PM:
Re: 50Mbps/5Mbps for me??

In Canada it wouldn't even amount to one. We have caps on everything and if you go over you could lose your house.
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anon @ 31st May 04:43PM:
Re: Dry vs. Land-Line DSL Cost Comparers Might Have Forgot....

Does this mean ATT is living up to their FCC deal to offer dry line now?
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anon @ 3rd Jun 08:57AM:
take these for prices

Hi all, i'm from Saudi Arabia and we only have one service provider for land lines and DSL. Here we pay for the Telecom co. and to the ISP (which we have several of), following are the cost associated with the services
all are in USD and are per month, Telcom and ISP fee respectively
- one time payment USD 80 setup cost
- 256kbps, USD 27+37=64
- 512kbps, USD 32+62=94
- 1mb, USD 40+120=160

nice huh
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dick3248 @ 15th Jun 12:52PM:
Re: Dry vs. Land-Line DSL Cost Comparers Might Have Forgot....

How did you manage to get $3.00 for long distance? In one year, mine started out at $11.00 and went up to $22.00. And beginning with the may/april bill, AT$T added a line delivery charge of almost $2.00. AT&T is adding all kinds of charges to the bill. My total bill - local, long distance, internet plus all those taxes and fees - comes to $76.00 a month.

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myosh:


OK, I don't have a dry line but here's what my June bill will look like...

Residential Flat Rate Service $10.83Surcharges (incl USF) 5.61Gov't Taxes & Fees 1.30AT&T Long Distance 3.00Long Distance Fees/Taxes 1.42 Phone Total: $22.16 DSL Pro Pkg (3000/512) $24.99 TOTAL BILL: $47.15
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greycat1 @ 18th Jun 09:12AM:
Wireless ISPs

We seem to be over looking the one element that is forcing these big TELCOs down to lower prices...

The Wireless ISPs....

OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm is quickly gaining ground in Western Kentucky, and experiencing some rough growing pains. Nonetheless, the CableCo and TELCO are feeling their heat.
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Lysis @ 4th Jul 05:56PM:
Re: Wireless ISPs

been looking for this kind of info for years - would be nice if you included cancellation fee and maybe a couple other tidbits

don't see speakeasy on there -

i have speakeasy 1.5/768 and it costs $59 a month (this is the actual cost of the bill and includes many taxes, fees, etc that they tack on)

speed isn't that impressive for $60 but unlike the verizon connection i had which was almost to dial-up speeds during peak hours the speakeasy connection has been a rock.
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Lysis @ 4th Jul 05:59PM:
Re: Wireless ISPs

oh yea and when i called to inquire about cancelling was when i first heard about speakeasy's cancellation fee, if i remember the phone conversation correctly its either $199 or $299!
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rody_44 @ 25th Jul 10:35PM:
contract rates for comcast

great job, but it doesnt have my rate. my rate with comcast for a 2 year contract is 33. for 6/750, also during the 2 years i have a option of 16/2 for 10 dollars more. it mentions other 1 year contract rates so it sould also mention comcasts 1 and 2 year contract rates.
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Ignite @ 13th Aug 11:05AM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by batterup :

How many times will this false statement be repeated. That 100 meg is only available to multi unit dwellings not individuals.
Not true.
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batterup @ 13th Aug 08:40PM:
Re: Great work Karl!

said by Ignite :

said by batterup :

How many times will this false statement be repeated. That 100 meg is only available to multi unit dwellings not individuals.
Not true.
Source?
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ZzyzxFromOR @ 28th Aug 07:32PM:
Re: take these for prices

"1mb, USD 40+120=160"

Ouch! $160 a month for 1mbps sounds really, really expensive.

How much is a gallon of gas there?
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