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CRTC Blocks Canada's WIND Wireless Network Sorry, you're just not Canadian enough... 02:02PM Friday Oct 30 2009 by Karl Bode tags: legal · competition · business · trouble · world · consumers · Bell Sympatico · TekSavvy Solutions Inc. · TELUS Tipped by Gbcue
The CRTC earlier this year couldn't be bothered to come to the defense of independent ISPs facing extinction due to Bell Canada's sudden throttling efforts, but the regulatory agency amazingly came alive this week to stop the entry of a new wireless phone competitor in Canada. A CRTC ruling has banned Globalive, a new entrant into the Canadian market, from doing business in Canada. Why? because it's 61% owned by Orascom, a telecom company that does ample business in the Middle East, Africa, Europe and South Asia. Canadian regulation, lobbied for by incumbent companies, prohibits any telecom networks that aren't majority-Canadian owned. The entry of WIND would be the first major threat to Bell Canada, Telus and Rogers in more than a decade, so the companies lobbied the CRTC extensively to investigate and ban Wind's market entry. Wind Mobile has issued a press release saying that the ruling's odd, given another Canadian agency had already given them the green light, they were already allowed to purchase spectrum, and they were well into the process of employing 500 people and setting up operations: In its decision, the CRTC came to a different conclusion than Industry Canada and has indicated that Globalive Wireless is not in compliance with the Canadian ownership and control requirements set out in the Telecommunications Act..."We will be evaluating our options on how to proceed," says Ken Campbell, CEO of WIND Mobile. Canadian Law Professor Michael Geist blames the entire affair on outdated pseudo-patriotic regulation, being a bit too kind to the CRTC (stocked with phone industry executives) and Canada's incumbent phone giants (who lobbied for the original restrictions and initiated the investigation in the first place). Mike Masnick at Techdirt gets to the point, noting how such pseudo-patriotic moves are usually just another form of protectionism that ultimately winds up crippling competition and harming consumers, be it in the U.S., Canada, or Tajikistan. Related:- Wednesday Evening Links
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anon @ 30th Oct 01:32PM:
CRTC Blocks Canada's WIND Wireless Network
I guess i'll pass on any wireless plans i had.
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Rob @ 30th Oct 01:37PM:
Sucks, but loved the commercials
I love their commercials.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0UhTtd···=related
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kustomjs @ 30th Oct 01:37PM:
about wireless in CA
thank god I live in US and we have different options for internet connections. Its sad that canada is mostly own by bell :(
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 01:37PM:
Hopefully competition is not over before it begins
At worst, and if all else fails I would strongly recommend WINDmobile/Orascom sue Canada at the WTO as they've paid for spectrum they can't use.
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anon @ 30th Oct 01:46PM:
Regulation
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard!
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Shark_615 @ 30th Oct 01:48PM:
How Does
A Company get approved by one agency, buy spectrum and then get banned?
It would be nice if they just ignored the ruling and just moved forward.
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swintec @ 30th Oct 01:58PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
T-Mobile? Largely owned by Duetche (sp?) Telecom...
Verizon Wireless...Isnt one of the major owners some French company..starts with a "V" I think.
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Karl Bode @ 30th Oct 01:59PM:
Re: Regulation
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard!
Nobody was saying otherwise. I wish airlines like KLM could come in and compete in our air travel sector...you'd see huge improvements.
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anon @ 30th Oct 02:07PM:
Re: Regulation
Yes the US does have carriers that are partially foreign owned. T-Mobile is a subsidiary of a German based company and Verizon Wireless is a joint venture between Vodafone and Verizon Communications.
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Gruesome @ 30th Oct 02:07PM:
Re: How Does
There is precedence for ignoring rulings, Bell is doing right now on matching speeds for Gas
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woody7 @ 30th Oct 02:08PM:
Re: Regulation
Sorry to disillusion you, but most of the US is foreign owned already.
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hurleyp @ 30th Oct 02:13PM:
Re: Hopefully competition is not over before it begins
Hopefully something like Google Voice will render the whole CRTC industrial complex irrelevant in the near future. ;)
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TKJunkMail @ 30th Oct 02:16PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
Ever hear of T-Mobile 100% owned by Deutche Telekom of Germany.
And Verizon Wireless is 45% owned by Vodaphone of the UK.
And don't kid yourself about Canada. The majority are moderately xenophobic and have rules in many industries that discourage or prohibit foreign ownership. Visit the Canada forum and Canpol forums sometimes to see how people feel there about foreign ownership of Canadian based assets. So, even with the lure of a more competitive marketplace, many(if not a majority) of Canadians would back the CRTC ruling out of patriotic fervor.
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Rob @ 30th Oct 02:17PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard!
T-Mobile is owned by Deutsche Telekom.
So yes, there ARE FOREIGN-OWNED phone companies sin the U.S.
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the cerberus @ 30th Oct 02:35PM:
Re: How Does
+1, WIND should just ignore it. Apparently Bell and Shaw can get away with it.
In Shaw I'm refering to how they still dont replace American shows with Canadian feeds whenever possible like Bell or Rogers, even after being fined by the CRTC.
It seems ignoring CRTC rulings has little to no punishment.
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Eat Me @ 30th Oct 02:36PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard!
IMO, in America we are quite the opposite. We are not protectionist enough, which is why when the dollar falls, the Europeans and Arabs buy up everything.
As for the stimulus, yes it should be buy American, because it's taxpayer dollars.
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anon @ 30th Oct 02:37PM:
Chicken wings, I like them
The CRTC is right on this one. Foreign power over any major industry/business weakens the country giving foreigners power over its eternal affairs. What they did is absolutely right, and suprising as a mater of fact; I did not know such fundamentals are still understood. As for problems the country already has with some of its companies it should go after those very same companies and eventualy after the very roots of this system that so grossly rewards greed. But that is another story. In the mean time fixing one problem by adding another, or adding a little 'patch' is foolish.
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zalternate @ 30th Oct 02:46PM:
What total B.S.
There was a fellow many years ago who wanted his country to be 'pure' of foreign types of people too.
I think his name was Hitler.
Canada exhibits the same type of inward turning rules and regulations. But not the killing of those that are not Heritage worthy.
Try BC in 2010. Our Canadian Constitution and Civil rights will be null and void for at least two months. Subject to $10,000 fines and 6 months jail for protest signs on private property. Oh, but Canadians would never protest. We are just too damn nice. Try our brand of Pepper Spray if you like.
Canada's Competition Bureau.
»www.cb-bc.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/home
And some 'Canadian' ownership people are just shills. Look at Hughesnet satellite Internet in Canada. Hughesnet calls the shots, But Xplornet(and a couple of others) does the billing as a reseller.
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backness @ 30th Oct 02:47PM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
are you retarded?
WIND could at most take say 20% of the market. What is the big deal if 60% of 20% of the market is owned by foreigners?
Get a clue it would have zero impact on anything.
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backness @ 30th Oct 02:48PM:
Re: Regulation
see how you feel about cell phones in Canada after you get the bill. I could give a rats ass who owns the company. Just give me a bill that is under 50$ a month and some good rates on data.
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AkFubar @ 30th Oct 02:57PM:
It's Not Over Til It's Over...
This is far from final. Globalive has far too much already invested in Canada. It also has the blessing of Industry Canada which is the government of the day.
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cpsycho @ 30th Oct 02:58PM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
said by John25696 :
The CRTC is right on this one. Foreign power over any major industry/business weakens the country giving foreigners power over its eternal affairs. What they did is absolutely right, and suprising as a mater of fact; I did not know such fundamentals are still understood. As for problems the country already has with some of its companies it should go after those very same companies and eventualy after the very roots of this system that so grossly rewards greed. But that is another story. In the mean time fixing one problem by adding another, or adding a little 'patch' is foolish.
I think this is funny as hell. I bet most of bell/rogers/telus/shaw stocks are held by foreigners. Why cant a company outside canada that is 40% canadian operate inside canada? Bell/rogers/telus hate competition.
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beachside @ 30th Oct 03:03PM:
The only possible outcome
The CRTC made the only decision they were allowed to under Canadian law. Anyone who sat in on the hearings with Globalive and the other presenters could tell that without a doubt Globalive was non-compliant. The CRTC did not have the authority to ignore the law or vary its application. Globalive was either compliant or not, and the CRTC found they were not.
This is not the end of it. There are lots of options and eventually Globalive in some form or another will launch in Canada.
I support the decision. Canada is my country and I expect people and companies to obey the laws of my country. I am disgusted at the thought of foreign companies trying to enter the country, break the laws and then extract jobs and money back out. It is not a case of whether we or they believe the law is correct. It is only a matter that right now it is the law.
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beachside @ 30th Oct 03:11PM:
Re: It's Not Over Til It's Over...
Except the Industry Canada blessing comes with a disclaimer that the licensee must also pass a CRTC hearing on foreign ownership. It is stated clearly on the same letter that Industry Canada issues to award the licenses.
Globalive knew from day 1 that this would be an issue.
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Time @ 30th Oct 03:16PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard!
Why shouldn't we use our tax payer dollars to fund local industries?
The sense of entitlement you exhibit is absolutely amazing.
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Oinktastic @ 30th Oct 03:20PM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
said by cpsycho :
I think this is funny as hell. I bet most of bell/rogers/telus/shaw stocks are held by foreigners. Why cant a company outside canada that is 40% canadian operate inside canada? Bell/rogers/telus hate competition.
Not only that, how much of Bell's income actually goes back into the economy. Yes, they sponsor stuff, and yes they pay taxes, but they also seem to have a bloated and highly overpaid management system and they outsource a ton of their employees.
If Globalive hires locally and sponsors Canadian events and projects, they'll be a step ahead of Bell in helping to improve the Canadian economy if you ask me. It just seems hypocritical of Bhell (surprise, surprise) that they should be crying about foreign investment when it's so hard to get a Canadian on the phone when you call them.
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jay_rm @ 30th Oct 03:23PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Rob :said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard!
T-Mobile is owned by Deutsche Telekom.
So yes, there ARE FOREIGN-OWNED phone companies sin the U.S.
Not that many years ago, a good majority of the high-tech industry in the US had UK ownership, partial at least...
I'm afraid the days of corporate protectionism in the US in long over. Most of the sheep in the US just don't know it.
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anon @ 30th Oct 03:23PM:
Europe - USA
I think if you look at the transatlantic relationship, the share of the economy controlled by the us in western europe and europe in the us, each controls roughly about 20% of the others economic output, it's the single largest investment relationship in the world as both together are around half of world gd(w?)p. You can't really blame the Canadians for feeling a bit protectionist , even if it results in higher prices and lower consumer choice.
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chronoss2009 @ 30th Oct 03:44PM:
if globalive were serious
the main guy that owns 2/3 would sell a 3rd
then when hes at 49.9% which is technically in any HUGE company a controlling interest anyhow, this could be approved
HEY why not sell it to TSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OR CAIP
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 03:54PM:
Re: Regulation
Well I may not be a member of the CanPol forums but I would strongly disagree.
Most Canadians have been howling to end the CRTC's CanCon and foreign ownership rules in the Telecom sector for years.
The only thing these rules have managed to do is create cancerous homegrown monopolies who will stifle innovation for years to come even after these rules are finally struck down.
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 03:55PM:
Re: Hopefully competition is not over before it begins
Unfortunately if the internet keeps being regulated as it is, google voice may never materialize in Canada!
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 04:19PM:
Re: Regulation
said by TKJunkMail :
[And don't kid yourself about Canada. The majority are moderately xenophobic and have rules in many industries that discourage or prohibit foreign ownership.
Not wanting American ownership of Canadian assets hardly qualifies as xenophobia. Whenever you give Americans anything they just take take take.
Ask any other country they've done business with.
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en102 @ 30th Oct 04:23PM:
Re: about wireless in CA
Living in Canada isn't that bad.
I keep my citizenship up in case I need to go back for healthcare.
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Rob @ 30th Oct 04:28PM:
Re: Regulation
said by El Quintron :said by TKJunkMail :
[And don't kid yourself about Canada. The majority are moderately xenophobic and have rules in many industries that discourage or prohibit foreign ownership.
Not wanting
American ownership of Canadian assets hardly qualifies as xenophobia. Whenever you give Americans anything they just take take take.
Ask any other country they've done business with.
China? Japan? The EU? I'm not sure any would back up your claim, because it isn't true.
It's more like foreign countries want the U.S. to give give give and we do.
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 04:32PM:
Re: Regulation
Kinda like you get our water and hydro at a discount?
And when the blackout happened your news media had the nerve to blame the problem on Canada when it actually originated in Ohio.
What I'm saying (to TK) is this:
The notion that politically mouthy Canadians don't want foreign investment is bullshit at best and slanderous at worst. What they don't want is hollowing out of nationally vital industries, especially not having yet more Canadian dollars flow into the US.
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EPS @ 30th Oct 04:35PM:
Re: Regulation
Vodafone, they're a British company... (well, based in Britain, but they're all over the world- second-largest mobile phone company behind China Mobile, and they own 2% of that IIRC) Plus, before the joint-venture VZW was created, they were called Vodafone AirTouch and owned 100% of AirTouch Wireless.
Though, I have to admit I think an Egyptian company like Orascom would get more suspicion in the US too than a Western European company would.
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 04:37PM:
Re: How Does
Exactly, WINDmobile should get its own "two-pronged" approach.
1) Sue Canada at the WTO
2) Launch anyways while the court battle rages on.
By time the battle is over so many Canadians will be on board that it will be too disruptive to take them out.
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Rob @ 30th Oct 04:37PM:
Re: Regulation
said by El Quintron :
Kinda like you get our water and hydro at a discount?
And when the blackout happened your news media had the nerve to blame the problem on Canada when it actually originated in Ohio.
What I'm saying (to TK) is this:
The notion that politically mouthy Canadians don't want foreign investment is bullshit at best and slanderous at worst. What they don't want is hollowing out of nationally vital industries, especially not having yet more Canadian dollars flow into the US.
It sounds like your issue is with your own government and not the United States.
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r81984 @ 30th Oct 04:39PM:
Supporting Monopolies?
Why does the CRTC want stop competition?
Price's in the US are high enough with competition. Prices in Canada are just insane with these monopolies.
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 04:40PM:
Re: Regulation
No my issue was with the "majority" of Canadians being Xenophobic.
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Rob @ 30th Oct 04:43PM:
Re: Regulation
said by El Quintron :
No my issue was with the "majority" of Canadians being Xenophobic.
I didn't say that.
My issue is with the constant insults of America by foreigners who think they are better than the U.S. (talk about arrogance) but have the audacity to say that Americans think we're better than anyone.
P.S. in FL we don't buy your water or hydro :D
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Kdee @ 30th Oct 04:44PM:
It seems that there might be hope....
The Canadian Government is going to review the CRTC decision:
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 04:51PM:
Re: Regulation
No you didn't but TK did... that's where the original rant came from.
It's true, Florida doesn't buy Canadian water, US water bottlers do, and the Estern seabord gets our hydro or what not...
Unfortunately you guys do get our worst export: Snowbirds!
My apologies. :D
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Mashiki @ 30th Oct 05:01PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Rob :
P.S. in FL we don't buy your water or hydro :D
Might want to check your nearest Sweetbay, when I was down there last fall there was quite a few compaines that imported water from Ontario, even though you've got one of the freshest spring fed aquifer systems(Zephyrhills for example) in the world there.
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KrK @ 30th Oct 07:01PM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
This is just BS. The CRTC is just protecting Bell and Rogers etc from competition. WIND should pass wind in the CRTC's direction and launch anyway.
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anon @ 30th Oct 07:18PM:
Re: Regulation
Theres no question that the Buy American stipulations attached to some of the stimulus mandates involving steel and iron sourcing represent another beggar-thy-neighbor edict that is illegal and immoral under NAFTA and other trade agreements.
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anon @ 30th Oct 07:22PM:
Re: Regulation
I stand corrected on the wireless companies, but I was thinking of actual PHONE (wireline) companies.
How about airlines? None of them in the US are foreign-owned. Is that not protectionist?
By the way, I am largely against protectionism, I was only pointing out that before you slander Canada for being too protectionist, look at the same practices that go on in the US in many industries (steel, iron, lumber, airlines...).
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Time @ 30th Oct 08:34PM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
Theres no question that the Buy American stipulations attached to some of the stimulus mandates involving steel and iron sourcing represent another beggar-thy-neighbor edict that is illegal and immoral under NAFTA and other trade agreements.
When you and other Canadians start paying taxes in the US, then you have a right to define where and what our government spends our tax dollars on. You can whine and cry as much as you wish, the fact of the matter is that your opinion means zilch in the scheme of things down here. You already received some of our precious tax dollars through the GM bailouts, because you have "Big 3" plants up there.
The "Buy American" inclusions are exempt from NAFTA, if you've done any research on the subject and read US Government releases.
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chronoss2009 @ 30th Oct 09:50PM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
said by Oinktastic :said by cpsycho :
I think this is funny as hell. I bet most of bell/rogers/telus/shaw stocks are held by foreigners. Why cant a company outside canada that is 40% canadian operate inside canada? Bell/rogers/telus hate competition.
Not only that, how much of Bell's income actually goes back into the economy. Yes, they sponsor stuff, and yes they pay taxes, but they also seem to have a bloated and highly overpaid management system and they outsource a ton of their employees.
If Globalive hires locally and sponsors Canadian events and projects, they'll be a step ahead of Bell in helping to improve the Canadian economy if you ask me. It just seems hypocritical of Bhell (surprise, surprise) that they should be crying about foreign investment when it's so hard to get a Canadian on the phone when you call them.
BANG at least globealive is HIRING IN CANADA
like ya baby
mo taxes , mo employed, mo mo mOOORE.
As i said if they maybe approached CAIP as a group and said hey would you like ot buy a huge chunk.....and if that went then you have even more .......INVESTMENT
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patcat88 @ 30th Oct 10:54PM:
Re: Regulation
The Canadian ownership rules stop dividends and wealth from leaving Canada. If it wasn't for those rules, all of Canada would look like Detroit. US companies would buy canadian assets and shut them down permanently.
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optemino @ 30th Oct 11:11PM:
entry
it's just canada -_-
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beachside @ 31st Oct 01:56AM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
Except this isn't the case.
First, the large Canadian carriers employe tens of thousands of people in Canada with little to no offshoring (its not outsourcing) depending on the carrier. Globalive employs somewhere between 1 and 500 people.
Second, because Globalive is completely controlled by foreign interests all the true power positions will be overseas with the rest of Orascom/Wind. Those high ranking, meaningful jobs will not be held by Canadians.
Don't be blinded by the Canadian flag that Wind has wrapped around themselves. They are not Canadian and do not exist to benefit Canadians.
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beachside @ 31st Oct 02:09AM:
Re: Regulation
Incorrect. The Canadian government contributed to the auto bailout in proportion to the amount of manufacturing and corporate functions located in Canada. US dollars are not supporting Canadian auto operations.
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jeffster1970 @ 31st Oct 07:34AM:
Re: Regulation
And - it was done in US dollars which wasn't all that great at the time.
Canada hasn't been told to 'buy canada' for its own stimulus money, but the buy american doesn't always help americans company that do business elsewhere in the world.
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PGHammer @ 31st Oct 08:53AM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard!
Hated, yes; however, other than such provisions in the Recovery Act (which I would have voted NAY on, as they are indeed blatantly protectionist), they are usually NOT legislated against. (Also, the *domestic* provisions of the Recovery Act don't apply to either Canadian or Mexican companies, thanks to NAFTA, or to any country which enjoys MFN trade status with the US.)
Thanks to such regulation, Bell Canada, Rogers, and Shaw are perfectly within their rights to set up shop and compete with our ILECs, CLECs, and cable companies.
So, why haven't they?
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Mike @ 31st Oct 09:24AM:
Re: Regulation
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n2jtx @ 31st Oct 10:13AM:
Re: Regulation
said by Luongo :
I stand corrected on the wireless companies, but I was thinking of actual PHONE (wireline) companies.
I can't think of any that would want to buy in to the wireline industry. Verizon is trying to ditch wireline service in many places and I don't see any foreigners stepping up to buy in.
said by Luongo :
How about airlines? None of them in the US are foreign-owned. Is that not protectionist?
No, that is smart. Have you seen the balance sheets on the U.S. airlines? Investing money in them is like burning it in a furnace.
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n2jtx @ 31st Oct 10:17AM:
Re: It seems that there might be hope....
Don't get your hopes up. Anytime you have a hearing or a Blue Ribbon Commission the only purpose is to bury the facts and cover the regulators collective a$$es. After having been on Broadband Reports some 8+ years now, I have become jaded. I can tell you when the hearing is done it will be, to quote William Shakespeare, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".
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osme @ 31st Oct 12:57PM:
Re: about wireless in CA
said by en102 :
Living in Canada isn't that bad.
I keep my citizenship up in case I need to go back for healthcare.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you've been living out of the country for a while and you no longer have an up to date health card, no health care for you.
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Cloneman @ 31st Oct 01:32PM:
Re: entry
Maybe we should kick out Best Buy and Future Shop which are 0% Canadian owned.
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anon @ 31st Oct 08:00PM:
Re: about wireless in CA
said by osme :said by en102 :
Living in Canada isn't that bad.
I keep my citizenship up in case I need to go back for healthcare.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you've been living out of the country for a while and you no longer have an up to date health card, no health care for you.
Not to mention, citizenship has nothing to do with the right to health care; its residency and taxes :)
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anon @ 31st Oct 08:10PM:
Re: Regulation
canadians own more of florida than americans do
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bellhater @ 31st Oct 11:22PM:
Re: Regulation
See and the funny thing is that BELL is 100% owned by a TEACHERS PENSION FUND IN THE USA!!!! SO WTF!!! Bell is in bed with the CRTC, or the CRTC is being paid off by BELL to create this mega monopoly. Hence why I dropped the b as tards when I could. Bell you suck!!! Your so threatened by competition that you buy your way to success.. F U Bell.. I hope your company goes belly up when the public hears of your scammy ways!!
Edit: So what this new WIND mobile should do is have a canadian come in and start the company, run it for 1 year with support and then have this wind company come and purchase it for billions and billions and walla, bye bye bell!! I mean bell now owns virgin mobile for crist sakes. What the F is going on with this monopoly, and the CRTC continues to let BELL beat down their resellers and throttling their bandwidth, and they say they don't have time for the complaints? CRTC DO YOUR EF IN JOB!!!! Or I will stop paying my EF in Taxes cause its not protecting me!!!
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Doctorphate @ 31st Oct 11:25PM:
Re: Regulation
Really? wow I had no idea that I was willing to spew money out my ass to support a Canadian company instead of a foreign owned company.
I, aswell as many other Canadians would pay whoever costs less, regardless of ownership.
However, if two companies had the same pricing and one was Canadian and the other was not, THEN I would support the Canadian owned company.
Kim Jong Il could own the company for all I care, just as long as I get my cheaper prices
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Doctorphate @ 31st Oct 11:26PM:
Re: Supporting Monopolies?
Its not that they WANT monopolies, its that they are told to rule in that way so they do. If they didn't, they wouldn't have jobs waiting for them at Bell and Rogers when they're done their stay.
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bellhater @ 31st Oct 11:27PM:
Re: Regulation
CRTC = BELL and BELL = TEACHERS PENSION FUND OF THE USA
So can the CRTC really justify their actions with WINDS mobile? I think not. CRTC is not government owned, its BELL OWNED!!!
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bellhater @ 31st Oct 11:29PM:
Re: Regulation
CRTC is the TELECOM as USA is to OIL
BUSTED!!!!
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bellhater @ 31st Oct 11:32PM:
Re: Regulation
BOYCOT BELL!!!! I am in a company that resells telecom products, and thank god they don't sell bell products. I would NEVER stay in a company where my money is supporting a corrupt company with no standards and no direction!! Just money hungry out for their own pockets, then a new company who wants to help customers save money while still making money gets shut down. And we pay the government our tax dollar to stick us like that? Time for a new government policy!!! Or maybe time to overthrow this corrupt NORTH AMERICAN NEW WORLD ORDER and get back our freedoms!! Isn't that why we fight? So lets wage a war against the CANADIAN and US GOVERNMENTS to WIN BACK THE VERY FREEDOM THEY ARE SLOWLY TAKING AWAY FROM US!!
Bell = worried about their own pockets
Winds Mobile = Worried about customers and their own pockets
Big difference. At least Winds CARES. There is a word I think Bell needs to go back to first grade and learn! I mean really. Teachers Pension Fund? Maybe you should teach yourself some more First Grade Manors!!
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Oinktastic @ 1st Nov 02:25AM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
said by beachside :
Except this isn't the case.
First, the large Canadian carriers employe tens of thousands of people in Canada with little to no offshoring (its not outsourcing) depending on the carrier. Globalive employs somewhere between 1 and 500 people.
Second, because Globalive is completely controlled by foreign interests all the true power positions will be overseas with the rest of Orascom/Wind. Those high ranking, meaningful jobs will not be held by Canadians.
Don't be blinded by the Canadian flag that Wind has wrapped around themselves. They are not Canadian and do not exist to benefit Canadians.
Say what?
Please don't try to convince me that Bell does 'little to no offshoring' because I'm not buying that.
And obviously Globalive hasn't hired many Canadians yet, they haven't been allowed to start business here yet. Why would they need employees when they haven't been given a green light to even enter the Canadian market yet? lol
Where are you getting your numbers? It's not that I don't mind getting statistics, I'm just wary of trusting random data with no traceable source.
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beachside @ 1st Nov 02:54AM:
Re: Chicken wings, I like them
Bell is in the process of moving offshore operations back to Canada, Telus continues to use their offshore operations and Rogers does not use offshoring (at least not that I've heard discussed publicly). The number of employees that each of these carriers have in Canada is available in their public reporting. Feel free to browse them.
Wind hasn't provided any truthful numbers of employees. One day its 800 and then the next day they say 500. I'm inclined to believe its really less since they haven't been honest about anything else they've been doing.
For every dollar you spend with Rogers/Bell/Telus more of that dollar will stay in Canada and benefit Canadians. Spending that dollar with Wind, in its current form, would see that dollar leaving the country pretty quick.
Like I said before, Wind is not Canadian.
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stufried @ 1st Nov 10:12AM:
Cell Phones Aren't TV Stations
The U.S. also limits the percentage of foreign ownership. Tmobile US is not 100% owned by TMobile De, but I think the restriction is wrong.
Unlike broadcast media, there is no distinct culture to be preserved through the a mobile phone network. The issue isn't domestic content and programming. Yes, there are very small (almost de minimus) aspects, but any Canadian cell phone company not bent on self destruction will engineer a mobile home page with domestic news, hockey scores, etc, and offer the same in English and French. This is not like the attempts to protect Canadian television shows against the American productions which tend to flow north.
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hottboiinnc @ 1st Nov 11:11AM:
Re: about wireless in CA
Never mind that the USA says you CAN NOT have Citizenship in TWO COUNTRIES! It's illegal.
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Agent Smith @ 1st Nov 11:14AM:
Just canada
Canada is good for the best foods there i like it.
But their technology as in broadband sucks so bad i feel bad for them.
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davoice @ 1st Nov 03:16PM:
Re: about wireless in CA
Wrong! Dual citizenship if perfectly legal and many people maintain dual citizenship.
»travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_t···753.html
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta···izenship
}Davoice
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pfak @ 1st Nov 06:34PM:
Re: Regulation
Uhm, do you by any chance mean the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund?
»www.associatedcontent.com/articl···rio.html
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beachside @ 1st Nov 07:10PM:
Re: Just canada
said by Agent Smith :
Canada is good for the best foods there i like it.
But their technology as in broadband sucks so bad i feel bad for them.
Actually the quality and availability of wireline and wireless broadband in Canada is very good. Arguably much better than in the US. Its our pricing that usually comes under fire.
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Agent Smith @ 1st Nov 07:12PM:
Re: Just canada
I know i mean the pricing and caps and tiers etc.
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PGHammer @ 2nd Nov 08:22AM:
Re: Cell Phones Aren't TV Stations
What about the Canadian equivalent of the NSA? (Yes; there is one.)
Canadian wiretap laws are practically mirror images of those of the UK; the kerfuffle over *warrantless wiretapping* that threatens every so often to hamstring US jurisprudence isn't an issue in either the UK or Canada, as such wiretapping is fully legal (and without warrants) even if you're a citizen of the country. (Also, if you're an American in either Canada or the UK, the NSA can indeed tune their antennas on your convos. And *of course* the NSA has listening posts in Canada.)
Did Canada's spooks bend the ear (or the arm) of the CRTC?
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the cerberus @ 2nd Nov 07:21PM:
Re: Just canada
said by beachside :said by Agent Smith :
Canada is good for the best foods there i like it.
But their technology as in broadband sucks so bad i feel bad for them.
Actually the quality and availability of wireline and wireless broadband in Canada is very good. Arguably much better than in the US. Its our pricing that usually comes under fire.
The quality and availability is adequate at best. The reality is while Verizon and other FTTH providers continue to add more markets in the states, we sit here with ADSL1 and DOCSIS 2. Both technologies were made long ago, and both are quite slow in comparison to FTTH. Price continues to rise instead of fall in Canada so we need competition! In every Bell/Rogers/Telus business this seems to continue, wireless included. Text messages are achievable for free over the internet, they are like 2kb. But rogers/bell continue to use very old technology and charge ridiculous prices for them. Now Rogers has launched 3G+ instead of 4G, with bell/telus not far behind, but no devices yet.
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gpmoo7 @ 3rd Nov 10:13AM:
Re: Regulation
said by swintec :
T-Mobile? Largely owned by Duetche (sp?) Telecom...
Verizon Wireless...Isnt one of the major owners some French company..starts with a "V" I think.
Verizon is owned by Vodafone (UK) (owners of SFR in France).
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