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Comcast To Launch Online Backup Service
In 10, 50, or 200GB flavors...will count against new cap...
(old news - 10:09AM Thursday Jan 22 2009)
tags: business · exclusive · hardware · bandwidth · cable · content · networking · Comcast
Comcast insiders have informed Broadband Reports that the cable giant will soon be launching an online backup and storage service called Comcast Secure Backup and Share, for which customers can pay a monthly or yearly fee. The plan is to offer several storage options: 10GB worth of storage for $4.99/mo or $49.99 per year; 50GB for $9.99/mo or $99.99 year; or 200GB for $19.99 a month. When launched, users should be able to try it for one month free.

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Once the service is purchased by a primary Comcast account holder, everyone in the family can use the service with their own individual "lockers," though their use contributes to the storage total. If the Comcast broadband account is canceled, users have fourteen days before all content is deleted permanently.

The insider notes that due to copyright concerns, the service will allow users to back up music files, but they won't be able to share them with others. Shared files can of course be accessed from anywhere there's a broadband connection. Comcast tells us this service will contribute towards Comcast's new 250GB monthly cap. We've obtained some screenshots for the service (1, 2, 3) which is tentatively scheduled for launch sometime in late February or early March.

Given the low price of storage and remote storage devices, the $240 per year you'd pay for 200GB worth of storage might be better spent on a low cost NAS (network attached storage) device -- many of which offer storage in the terabyte range for less than $500 -- with no restrictions on what kind of media you can share.

Update: A Comcast spokesman in the comments below confirms that the service will count against your monthly cap. That's probably a necessary move by Comcast, given that excluding this service would have riled up the network neutrality brigades. Still, including it would seem to limit its usefulness.

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Joe12345678 @ 22nd Jan 09:42AM:
what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you only have about 50gb left of other stuff and is the cap up + down makeing it so you may not even be able to use it 100%?
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JazzJRabbit @ 22nd Jan 09:43AM:
Caps?

Well, you won't be able to access your NAS from all over the world.

Other than that what I'm really wondering is how this will play with Comcast caps. Seems silly to introduce 200GB backup plan when monthly cap is 250GB. Anyone using that much data to backup is likely to go over the monthly cap.
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Pizz @ 22nd Jan 09:44AM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

When does this company make any sense. I'll bet half of the people who design services for Comcast don't even know a cap is implemented.
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Dogfather @ 22nd Jan 09:45AM:
Yeah...sure

Until some peanut head in the ivory tower says it's not a money maker and gives you 30 days to find an alternative. For $100 I can buy a hefty external and at $20/mo could accumulate multiple TB of externals along with a license for Acronis, Superduper, Ghost or any of a zillion other great backup software solutions.

What a rip off.

If you're a business, off site backup is very important, but for residential use which this is obviously geared toward, this is beyond dumb.
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Kfedka @ 22nd Jan 09:48AM:
Gmail

Use firefox addon called Gspace. Give me close to 7gb of storage with no monthly fee from my gmail account.
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Sith HMP @ 22nd Jan 09:53AM:
Re: Caps?

I can access my Linksys NAS200 from anywhere in the world. :) With two 500g drives and the unit itself, I paid just under $300.

What I would really like to see Comcast do is provide the darn bandwidth meter they said would be done this month.

P.S. Dear Comcast, January ends in nine days. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. :p
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rugby @ 22nd Jan 09:58AM:
Re: Caps?

Offsite backup storage has definite advantages. Your NAS can be stolen from a physical location, or a fire can burn down the building. Servers sitting in a data center are protected and the chances of them burning up or walking away are slim.
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Count Zero @ 22nd Jan 10:02AM:
At that price this service won't go far

Mozy is like $50/yr and I have >400GB backed up.
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 10:05AM:
More Anti-Competitivenes?

If this service does not get the same treatment from Comcast's 250GB cap or their newly implemented throttling process, will this be seen as an unfair advantage to other similar storage services?
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anon @ 22nd Jan 10:07AM:
Mozy anyone?

Apparently Comcast hasn't heard of Mozy who offers Unlimited backup space for home users for just $4.95/month?

The only advantage I can see is that Comcast decides to exclude this new backup service from caps, but then you have a problem with net neutrality since their own service would have an advantage over Mozy who would be subject to caps.

I use Mozy personally and for a couple of our smaller offices and I have been very pleased with them
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dsless @ 22nd Jan 10:10AM:
Storage Costs

If you add 1TB of EMC Symmetrix storage it will cost about $14,000.

»www.emc.com/products/family/symm···mily.htm
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Pv8man @ 22nd Jan 10:10AM:
Wait a minute....

They would charge you an extra 20 bucks a month for backup space, that, when used would basically eliminate the bandwidth for the month that you spend over 50 bucks on.

Heh, Home of real Con artists, Welcome to ConCast
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jlivingood @ 22nd Jan 10:11AM:
Not Excluded From Caps

Just as when you access Fancast or any other Comcast web site, something like this is included in your monthly utilization.
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jlivingood @ 22nd Jan 10:11AM:
Re: More Anti-Competitivenes?

said by jmn1207 :

If this service does not get the same treatment from Comcast's 250GB cap or their newly implemented throttling process, will this be seen as an unfair advantage to other similar storage services?
The info listed above is incorrect on that point.

Jason
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 10:12AM:
Re: Mozy anyone?

I can understand Comcast attempting to find ways to commit the customers to their service to make it more difficult for anyone to change services when and if suitable competition arrives, but this just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

More likely they just had the resources available and decided to create a low cost service (to implement and maintain at least) that can only make them money.
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 10:16AM:
Re: More Anti-Competitivenes?

said by jlivingood :

said by jmn1207 :

If this service does not get the same treatment from Comcast's 250GB cap or their newly implemented throttling process, will this be seen as an unfair advantage to other similar storage services?
The info listed above is incorrect on that point.

Jason
At those prices you are much better off using a cheaper alternative and using the money saved to pay for any costs associated with potentially exceeding your monthly data transfer allotment.
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HotRodFoto @ 22nd Jan 10:19AM:
Comcast are you on crack?

Seriously, get a grip. "Gee let's have a service that many can't actually use because of caps". Hello. lol And not only that but the plan sucks. I pay $4.99 a month with Mozy.com and it's unlimited. Over 650 GIGS backed up. Wanna know something else Comcast? One day people will wake up and realize that when they are spending a crapload with you, on TV, internet, and Phone service, that by cancelling their TV and getting a dish, upgrading to Bizz Class internet (that BTW has NO caps and has better service) and ditching your overpriced VOIP for something else ala Vonage, they come out far ahead still. Quit offering stupid services and lower peoples damn bills in harsh economic times, or start to bleed subs.
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HotRodFoto @ 22nd Jan 10:21AM:
Re: More Anti-Competitivenes?

said by jmn1207 :

said by jlivingood :

said by jmn1207 :

If this service does not get the same treatment from Comcast's 250GB cap or their newly implemented throttling process, will this be seen as an unfair advantage to other similar storage services?
The info listed above is incorrect on that point.

Jason
At those prices you are much better off using a cheaper alternative and using the money saved to pay for any costs associated with potentially exceeding your monthly data transfer allotment.
No u would be better off ditching residential class and moving to business which has NO caps. And then getting mozy.com for $4.99 a month and which is unlimited
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AstroBoy @ 22nd Jan 10:30AM:
Funny thing...

If I got the 200GB service and then backed up my 200GB of data, then had a disk failure... I would not be able to restore the data in the same month without exceeding the 250GB limits.

Just buy a 200+GB NAS system and put in in a friends house. And hope they have FIOS. You still have the 250GB limit, but save much money.
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MSauk @ 22nd Jan 10:33AM:
Re: Funny thing...

I think it is a great idea and I believe the story even mentions that the bandwidth used to do so will not count against you.
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hopeflicker @ 22nd Jan 10:40AM:
Now correct me if im wrong

But their ad says that you can share, but then the article goes on and mentions that you can NOT share.

Another misleading cable gimmick? :huh:
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spewak @ 22nd Jan 10:40AM:
Re: Funny thing...

said by MSauk :

I think it is a great idea and I believe the story even mentions that the bandwidth used to do so will not count against you.
"Update: A Comcast spokesman in the comments below confirms that the service will count against your monthly cap"
Quote from story at top of page.
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MSauk @ 22nd Jan 10:46AM:
Re: Funny thing...

oh well that is stupid than lol
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Pv8man @ 22nd Jan 10:53AM:
Re: Comcast are you on crack?

Crackcast....it's crackcastic....
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stunod2002 @ 22nd Jan 10:59AM:
Re: Now correct me if im wrong

said by hopeflicker :

But their ad says that you can share, but then the article goes on and mentions that you can NOT share.

Another misleading cable gimmick? :huh:
Nothing misleading.. You just can not share music.. You can share all your other junk.
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anon @ 22nd Jan 11:07AM:
Late to the game?

I would think that by now established offerings from MyOtherDrive, Mozy, and Carbonite, will out perform Comcast. These services have better pricing. Not sure how they are going to make this work.
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Eat Me @ 22nd Jan 11:07AM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

They will probably exempt the online backup service from the cap, showing what the real reason for the cap is - to protect the walled garden.
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hopeflicker @ 22nd Jan 11:07AM:
Re: Now correct me if im wrong

said by stunod2002 :

said by hopeflicker :

But their ad says that you can share, but then the article goes on and mentions that you can NOT share.

Another misleading cable gimmick? :huh:
Nothing misleading.. You just can not share music.. You can share all your other junk.
oh, in other words, all you have to do is zip up your albums ;)
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Eat Me @ 22nd Jan 11:12AM:
Re: More Anti-Competitivenes?

With my ISP (Penteledata/Prolog), business class accounts actually have a LOWER cap than some residential accounts, while the service is 2-3x the cost.

Some real geniuses are running that company.
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viperpa33s @ 22nd Jan 11:14AM:
Rip off

I honestly wonder who thinks of this crap. There are many backup options that people can use without spending an arm and a leg. Comcast is making out like your getting the deal of a lifetime when they are just ripping people off.

They say you can't share music files or probably movie files. Does that mean Comcast keeps track of what you back up? There isn't a lot of privacy if they do keep track.
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Chuckles @ 22nd Jan 11:20AM:
Re: Yeah...sure

said by Dogfather :

What a rip off.

If you're a business, off site backup is very important, but for residential use which this is obviously geared toward, this is beyond dumb.
There's plenty of dummies out there ready to pay up.
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Chuckles @ 22nd Jan 11:21AM:
Re: Comcast are you on crack?

said by HotRodFoto :

One day people will wake up and realize [...]
I doubt it.
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chelpt @ 22nd Jan 11:24AM:
Comcast is still old.

Is there any one that think this is the first ISP doing this? My Centurytel service has been telling me about this for at least 2 years now.
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 11:27AM:
Re: More Anti-Competitivenes?

said by Eat Me :

With my ISP (Penteledata/Prolog), business class accounts actually have a LOWER cap than some residential accounts, while the service is 2-3x the cost.

Some real geniuses are running that company.
Perhaps they have an SLA, but in order to be able to meet this criteria, they have to offer realistic performance numbers rather than the typical, inflated numbers used for marketing purposes?
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jc100 @ 22nd Jan 11:31AM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

The better response is I bet half the people making decisions or giving advice to Comcast are the same contractors that Rob, Steal, Murder the clinets =P. Hence, ignorance flows from all sides of this river.
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wifi4milez @ 22nd Jan 11:33AM:
I agree with Karl!

quote:
Given the low price of storage and remote storage devices, the $240 per year you'd pay for 200GB worth of storage might be better spent on a low cost NAS (network attached storage) device -- many of which offer storage in the terabyte range for less than $500 -- with no restrictions on what kind of media you can share.


100% agreed. What a joke!
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iansltx @ 22nd Jan 11:33AM:
backBlaze, Carbonite Mozy...

All $5 a month or thereabouts. All unlimited for storage. Why you'd go with comcast's non-internet-portale backups is beyond me...especially with the cap...I'm back to local backups with Time machine + a 1TB drive now.
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swintec @ 22nd Jan 11:35AM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

said by Joe12345678 :

what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you only have about 50gb left of other stuff and is the cap up + down makeing it so you may not even be able to use it 100%?
Why would you upload and download and remove 200 gigs of DIFFERENT material every month? Chances are you will put stuff there for long term storage.
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amungus @ 22nd Jan 11:36AM:
Re: Rip off

I agree.

Who gets paid to actually come up with this?

What good is the internet with "caps" on actually using it?

One more completely legit use for using the internet, and people get shafted because of restrictions based on fear, uncertainty, doubt...

What good is having the freedom to use the internet if its uses are further restricted?

At what point does the "sneakernet" become more convenient, reasonable, and useful than the internet?
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badtrip @ 22nd Jan 11:47AM:
Re: I agree with Karl!

Plus Comcast is so unreliable I'd not only think twice before I archived something important using this waste of a service, I'd have to think 6 or 7 times.
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Lee GWB @ 22nd Jan 11:48AM:
That is Funny!

Let's see how stupid someone can be to sign up. People can not be that dumb.... Then again maybe they can..
:(
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TKJunkMail @ 22nd Jan 11:54AM:
Re: Rip off

said by viperpa33s :

I honestly wonder who thinks of this crap. There are many backup options that people can use without spending an arm and a leg.
Microsoft Windows Live Skydrive provides 25 GB for free to store any files you want. Why pay something for less space? And there are plenty of backup utilities for free too that could automate the process as well.

»skydriveteam.spaces.live.com/blo···22.entry
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dadkins @ 22nd Jan 11:59AM:
Hmmm...

Recently bought a 250GB portable external USB drive - fits in a shirt pocket.
Can access the data on anything with a USB connection.

Cost $69.99.
Odds are it will last longer than a year so I'm good - Thanks anyways!

Plus, with this online storage/sharing thingy, upload limits would be painful. x or xxGB @ 2.2mbps? :(
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rcdailey @ 22nd Jan 12:07PM:
Re: Hmmm...

That's the thing. Always take the drive with you when you leave the house, just in case there is an earthquake or a fire. That way you have off-site storage with no additional expense.
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massysett @ 22nd Jan 12:07PM:
NAS

Sure you could buy NAS, but NAS is not offsite. What if your house burns down? The NAS is gone too.

Maybe a flash drive is a better solution (though speed would be a concern). You can carry flash with you. But NAS isn't much help for offsite backup.
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dadkins @ 22nd Jan 12:19PM:
Re: Hmmm...

said by rcdailey :

That's the thing. Always take the drive with you when you leave the house, just in case there is an earthquake or a fire. That way you have off-site storage with no additional expense.
... and, you have your movie/music library with you. Want to watch a movie, no prob!
Want a copy? We can do that too! Drag *N* Drop! ;)

Hasn't anyone seen the Seagate commercials?

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=tojKpwHeL28


Mine's a Toshiba, but you get the idea. :)
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pabster @ 22nd Jan 01:19PM:
Re: More Anti-Competitivenes?

Mozy is 4.95 per month per machine.

But their MozyHome service is capped and rate-limited to 1Mbit max. So good luck pushing 200+ GB over that!
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pabster @ 22nd Jan 01:23PM:
Re: Rip off

Yeah...with a 50MB file size limit. That's the problem with SkyDrive. (Besides a lot of folks not trusting MS with their data.)
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pabster @ 22nd Jan 01:28PM:
Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

Don't underestimate the importance of offsite, online backup just because ComCast does something stupid. (I don't disagree with their pricing so much, just the whole cap thing.) Everyone brags about Mozy and how they only pay $5 a month but have you ever had to RESTORE that data? Mozy is slower than crap and sends your files in about 200 different ZIP archives you have to weed through. It's a friggin' mess. And their home service is capped (rate-limited) to 1Mbps. Very painful if you are dealing with large volumes of data.

But I digress. You absolutely should have offsite, online backup (at least of your most critical data.) You just never know when disaster will strike, whether it is a hard disk failure or something more catastrophic (earthquake, fire, flood, etc) and then your NAS or that cheap USB drive you have sitting on your desk will do you no good.
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anon @ 22nd Jan 01:36PM:
They need to increase the cap

I hate the cap, I think I'm already over 250 GB!
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 01:46PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

If the data is that critical, why the hell would anyone be relying on a residential cable company to provide their internet service and backup storage solutions?

The people using Comcast are probably concerned about photos, media, and a smattering of important documents. You could save this type of data to any of several local storage solutions and keep it in a safe deposit box for much less money. No matter where the redundancy resides, it can always be compromised under the most catastrophic of situations; however, most people are simply worried about a critical hardware failure of their computer components, and especially a hard drive crash or some damaging security violation.
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scrummie02 @ 22nd Jan 01:53PM:
Re: At that price this service won't go far

How does it work out for you? I have a WHS box and I wanted to use it but they don't have a client for WHS.

In any case, over 400 GB huh? Is this with their plain residential service?
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pabster @ 22nd Jan 01:56PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

Yeah, well, I don't know about you...but the gigs and gigs of family photos I have are worth a few bucks a month to keep safely off-site alone. That's not counting important documents and other things. And last time I checked a safe-deposit box costs too. And can I access its contents and pull things back from anywhere, anytime? There's a legitimate market for online backup which is why the business is exploding and even the monopolies are looking to cash in.
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 02:00PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

Sounds like you need a photo sharing site, not online backup. I mean, if you have that many photos, you could not possibly have enough time to look at them all, so you may as well let your friends and family have access to these all of the time. Something like Shutterfly or Flickr might be a better option.
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dadkins @ 22nd Jan 02:04PM:
Oh, SNAP!

Lookie what I just got in an email...

»www.windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive

Free, or pay? Hmmm...
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anon @ 22nd Jan 02:18PM:
All you have to do is look at the weather.

If your area hasn't had an earthquake in the last 100 years
or more, chances are you won't have one tomorrow.
With flashdrives so cheap now, what comcast is offering is
a joke. Look at how many infected computers we have on the
net now with botnets and the like. You're not actually going
to sit there and tell me that the datacenter comcast wants
to use is 100% immune from such things?
What happens if your data is lost? Oops! Sorry! My bad?
How crackerproof is it? Personally, a portable storage
device backed up regularly and kept in a location of my
choosing is a lot more secure to me than trusting some site
telling me my data is secure. That's like the cops saying
they're out there to protect us, yet people are killed every
day. Bottom line, the only person I 100% trust is myself.

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dot_null @ 22nd Jan 02:19PM:
Dreamhost

My website is hosted by Dreamhost and I pay around $8/month for web hosting, and this includes 50GB of backup storage, plus a whole bunch of other stuff. These prices seem WAY too high in comparison.
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jacour @ 22nd Jan 03:00PM:
Re: Mozy anyone?

I am sure Comcast has heard of Mozy, but if you come to DSLReports regularly then you are not a "normal" Comcast customer. The average customer is not nearly so well informed and will often take the easy way out of a technical problem, which is exactly what Comcast is providing. Those of us who are a little more tech saavy get way more bang for the same buck.
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Smith6612 @ 22nd Jan 03:01PM:
Re: Oh, SNAP!

I use SkyDrive. 50MB per file and I also think the uploads are throttled a bit (I'll have to try it on FiOS, as I'm just guessing really. 386kbps isn't a good speed to assume this on), but the downloads are really quick and I do get 25GB of disk space for free :)
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inferno @ 22nd Jan 03:04PM:
Just bought 2 years of carbonite unlimited service for $45..

Just bought 2 different accounts for 2 years of carbonite for $45...

Comcast is a complete ripoff... :-|
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mod_wastrel @ 22nd Jan 03:31PM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

said by Joe12345678 :

what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap...
Overage fees when you exceed your limit--the only difference being, I guess, that you aren't a candidate for having your connection terminated when you do exceed it (although I wouldn't be too sure--"mistakes" happen).
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Count Zero @ 22nd Jan 03:32PM:
Re: At that price this service won't go far

Yes, plain residential service. I bought two years of service at once because they give you a discount equal to 3 months of free service when you do that.

Works out great for me. Been using it since the OS X beta came out and have been very pleased with it. There was a brief period where their OS X client (post-beta mind you) would back-up folders even if they were in my "ignored" list, but that has since been remedied and it is smooth sailing again.

I get upload speeds of up to 1 Mb/s with my Comcast connection.
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Count Zero @ 22nd Jan 03:35PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

But a lot of those sites don't let you push the full-quality versions of your photos to them. My Aperture library is something like 60GB... I doubt flicker would let me store all my cool photos from my trips around the country in their full 8-10MP glory (and RAW format) on their site.
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anon @ 22nd Jan 03:37PM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

Why would you use a computer when you can just use cassette tapes to store and move your data from system to system.

Chances are you would put stuff on a tape for long term storage.

Why would you use the service at all when there are better solutions at cheaper prices.

Why not go back to say the whip and buggy. Those worked just fine.

Are you really listening to yourself when you ask your questions. I can come up with some really dumb ones also. The internet is fueling progress in other countries and their economies will come up on top while ours will continue the downward spiral unless we think outside the box for a moment.
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pabster @ 22nd Jan 03:48PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

I do utilize on-line photo sharing as well, but I like to keep a backup of the actual files elsewhere also. Can never be too safe.

As for RAW storage, I don't use RAW myself, but SmugMug will allow you to do that (albeit not free, but neither is Google or Flickr if you actually want more than a gig or two of storage and some perks.)
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Count Zero @ 22nd Jan 03:50PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

Exactly - so for the price Mozy isn't bad.
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 04:08PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

said by Count Zero :

But a lot of those sites don't let you push the full-quality versions of your photos to them. My Aperture library is something like 60GB... I doubt flicker would let me store all my cool photos from my trips around the country in their full 8-10MP glory (and RAW format) on their site.
Flickr does all that, and for half the price of Mozy. Personally, I don't trust a 3rd party online site to store any of my data. But for photos and videos, there are much better alternatives than using just about any online backup site.

»www.flickr.com/upgrade/
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olegy @ 22nd Jan 04:29PM:
what about natural disasters

I had a lot of my own backups. They are all gone in fire.
Only online files survived....
Gmail is about 7 gigs for free and you can create as as many accounts as you want. Plus - some third party apps like Gmail drive will really help.
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Count Zero @ 22nd Jan 04:40PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

That works for photos, but how about my 50GB of home movies (graduations, Christmases, Thanksgivings, new puppies, etc)? Or my hundreds of stored documents? Or my music collection?

Having a 1TB hard drive sitting around with an up-to-date backup of your data sounds good but remember they can fail at any time. I remember when my 60GB external USB drive died without any warning. I used to do daily backups of my old laptop onto it and one day it just wouldn't mount to any computer I plugged it into. Oops. At least it was just a backup of data and I was able to go buy a new USB drive the next day and not lose anything.
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jmn1207 @ 22nd Jan 04:55PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

I certainly don't have the time to do daily backups, but I still prefer a local option over an online backup. I would definitely put those home movies on something other than an external hard drive, and I would definitely not expect to keep these things at Mozy, for goodness sakes!

An external hard drive is my first option, since it is simple and effective. The chances of it crashing when you need it for a backup would be relatively rare. Sure they break sometimes, but they are cheap and you can simply backup your data on a new one. However, I would much rather have a physical copy, such as a good quality DVD or CD. And I would make more copies every few years.

Until something more robust comes along, which inevitably always happens, this is the typical consumer's most promising medium to store their important data.
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Count Zero @ 22nd Jan 05:22PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

I go with a two-pronged approach. I use Time Machine to keep an hourly backup of everything on my computer on an external 1TB SATA drive and then I have everything backed up on Mozy too. So if my apartment did burn down, or my computer were stolen or something else awful happened and I couldn't use Time Machine to recover my data I'd be able to get my data from Mozy, and if I deleted a file accidently I can just pull it back using Time Machine.
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fiberguy @ 22nd Jan 05:46PM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

This post isn't even interesting... cassette tapes? backup storage being equated to the progress of other countries?

The internet is nothing for everyone. I mean by that, as the internet is going to be used based on the person who is using it's needs..

Online back up use is not going to make or break the internet or fuel progress.

You can't make broad statements about other countries. Each country in how it used the internet has a different reason. Some countries, had little in the lines of tools so this was like handing them a gift from above, so to speak. The United States wasn't hurting like you make it sound, and in case you were asleep through the 90's and the early 2000's, the internet super charged our nation like never before.. remember the bubble? If you understand economics better, you'd not make that statement at all. Its easy to fuel progress where there once was none or little.

/Utpoia

And these days, more people in this category, like Karl said, will use other hard drives, or hell, even DVD's to back up data.. cassette tape is, like you said, the whip and buggy.

And the downward spiral? What is this "downward spiral" you are speaking of?
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fiberguy @ 22nd Jan 06:04PM:
Re: Caps?

Wait.. wait wait wait WAIT a minute..

What is the party line here anyway?

The other day, people were crying that CDV wouldn't be traffic shaped (which I agree with) becuase it's a competing service to other VoIP providers. ugh.

Now, they offer an online back up service and it WILL be part of the traffic shape and people are wondering why?

Perfect time to answer the question.. what do you want comcast to do? This is getting absurd..

Comcast is a provider of services. They offer TELEVISION, first, then Internet and now phone. They are primarily hard line services. If people here had their choice, comcast would only be an internet provider, nothing more. (And I know this is a little off your particular post, but I think it's appropriate here at this point)

I've heard arguments about people saying that their Internet caps are in place to protect their televisions service.. um.. duh? When did their TV service take a back seat to everything else? Comcast was in the phone business BEFORE they were in the internet business, and again, the internet should take front row seat over the other lines. (Yes, CDV is new and they have ramped up their phone service as of late, but it doesn't matter)

What it sounds like here, to me, on BBR, is that Internet is a drug and they are addicted.. touch their drug and they freak out.

It just doesn't seem that ANY provider out there is going to be able to win even if they try to lose. Maybe it's time for people to just take a bit of a chill pill for a bit and realize that they can't have it all ways.

Yes, people MAY go over their caps on this service, if they use it stupid. This service is also not likely for everyone out there, and it certainly doesn't have to bee for everyone.

Not everyone wants to use a hard drive as back up, not everyone wants to use online back ups, not everyone wants to use a CD/DVD, or as one said "Cassette tapes".. what's even worse is when people come here crying for options and choice and then on the other cheek cry foul and call some of these choices that people may want, "stupid" or "outdated" or "ineffective".. becuase it's not the way THEY'D do or want to do it.
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jeffhambone @ 22nd Jan 06:20PM:
Another head-scratcher...

I don't get it. Resources are allocated to operate and maintain a service that perhaps 10-20% of the customer base will use, when basic customer service and network management still need attention: »A Kinder, Gentler Comcast .

I figure this offering will last less than a year, then be dropped like the newsgroup service, for the same reasons.
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MalibuMaxx @ 22nd Jan 06:28PM:
Re: Hmmm...

Beautiful!

I have a 160 WD passport...

But am considering a new 500 gig esata... will see...

Almost filled the 160... but i agree and its a one time deal no monthly fee...

What I really want comcast is my bandwidth meter...

Doesnt matter have my own anyway but just saying...
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bobgwen @ 22nd Jan 06:31PM:
Re: Yeah...sure

My daughter just bought a one terabyte external hard drive for around $116.00. they are coming down in price.
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KrK @ 22nd Jan 07:53PM:
Re: what is the point of 200GB back up with a 250gb cap so you o

:uhh:

Hear that noise? It was the clue train passing you by.
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joetaxpayer @ 22nd Jan 09:29PM:
Re: Yeah...sure

said by Dogfather :

Until some peanut head in the ivory tower says it's not a money maker and gives you 30 days to find an alternative. For $100 I can buy a hefty external and at $20/mo could accumulate multiple TB of externals along with a license for Acronis, Superduper, Ghost or any of a zillion other great backup software solutions.
Tiger Direct 1TB internal drive $100.
On Black Friday I bought an external Maxtor 1TB for $140. The hosting service I use gives me 120GB for $5/mo. This makes no sense at all from where I sit.
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joetaxpayer @ 22nd Jan 09:30PM:
Re: Storage Costs

said by dsless :

If you add 1TB of EMC Symmetrix storage it will cost about $14,000.

»www.emc.com/products/family/symm···mily.htm
I'm sure that's the quality of what Comcast will offer.
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HotRodFoto @ 22nd Jan 10:14PM:
Re: Comcast are you on crack?

said by Chuckles :

said by HotRodFoto :

One day people will wake up and realize [...]
I doubt it.
In the current economic climate, I don't.
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espaeth @ 23rd Jan 05:48AM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

said by jmn1207 :

I certainly don't have the time to do daily backups, but I still prefer a local option over an online backup.
You're missing the most powerful feature of on-line backup: automation.

I have automated incremental backups that run every night while I sleep -- I don't even have to think about it.
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CalMark @ 23rd Jan 08:11AM:
Re: Now correct me if im wrong

...but if you encrypt your mp3's or zip them with pswd protection, how will they know they are copy protected music files??? Just curious...
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CalMark @ 23rd Jan 08:32AM:
Re: Hmmm...

said by dadkins :

said by rcdailey :

That's the thing. Always take the drive with you when you leave the house, just in case there is an earthquake or a fire. That way you have off-site storage with no additional expense.
... and, you have your movie/music library with you. Want to watch a movie, no prob!
Want a copy? We can do that too! Drag *N* Drop! ;)

Hasn't anyone seen the Seagate commercials?

..OK, here's a bone.
Just develop an backup drive that's built into your car with wireless access. It's part of your network when you are at home, then when you are away you can either connect to it wired with your laptop or connect ad hoc wireless. When you leave your house in your car, the backup goes with you. Not a solution for everyone, but it would work for many. Now all of you engineers out there get to work on it and make your millions.
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hopeflicker @ 23rd Jan 09:10AM:
Re: Now correct me if im wrong

said by CalMark :

...but if you encrypt your mp3's or zip them with pswd protection, how will they know they are copy protected music files??? Just curious...
They way. All you'll have to do is zip/rar them.
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walesk @ 23rd Jan 09:38AM:
Re: At that price this service won't go far

Carbonite is $50 year for unlimited backup.
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anon @ 23rd Jan 09:47AM:
Re: At that price this service won't go far

In addition to 3 months free, you can get promotional codes to save another 15% off. Look around - they're out there.
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SolarPup @ 23rd Jan 11:56AM:
Maybe.. Just Maybe..

...The time this is launched is about the same time they give us access to the bandwidth monitor!
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OSIU @ 23rd Jan 12:20PM:
Re: At that price this service won't go far

For Windows Home Server you need to use Mozy Pro (»mozy.com/pro).
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scrummie02 @ 23rd Jan 12:40PM:
Re: At that price this service won't go far

To expensive to justify the cost.
Right now I'll stick with USB drive backups.
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jmn1207 @ 23rd Jan 01:17PM:
Re: Offsite, Online Backup IS Important.

It's just not for me.

Just about every local backup option can be automated as well, so that's not really a feature that separates it from other options. Online backup benefits from the remote location, inexpensive storage space due to their bulk purchases, and the ability to access this data from just about anywhere. I don't need that. I would think that relatively few people really do, they just think they do. Whatever helps them sleep better at night.

I throw my photos on CD's, and keep my music and video on a thumb drive. I've got like maybe 4 gigs at best to deal with. Less than 5 minutes to drag and drop it all. I have a few emails with activation keys for various software that I have purchased, and my bookmarks. That's about it.

About every 3 years or so I upgrade my computer. At that time I do make a bit more of an exhaustive backup to make the transition smoother. But were talking about stuff like making a list of the utilities that I frequently use. I'll grab the latest versions from the web and save these to an external USB hard drive prior to the new computer build. I'll also make a preemptive strike and find the most recent drivers for all of the hardware before the installation. Not critical, but it saves some time.

Now, if I had tons of data that was dear to me, or highly important for some other reason, and I lived in an area susceptible to hurricanes or summer brush fires; I would certainly look into a more robust backup option.
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anon @ 24th Jan 09:16AM:
Isn't even flash media cheaper than Comcast backup

Backup important stuff to flash media, put them in a safedeposit box. Every year or so transfer flash media onto a dvd+r/blu-ray disk. safe deposit boxes are about $50 / year
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SuperWISP @ 3rd Feb 04:02PM:
It would be fair to exempt this service from the cap

It would be fair to exempt this service from the cap, because it does not go over the public Internet and so does not use Internet backbone bandwidth -- which is the scarce and expensive resource that the cap is meant to conserve.
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vosibiz @ 9th Mar 12:34AM:
HP just closed its online backup service Uline

A lot of folks thought storage is cheap and free... well, when it comes to business, storage is actually very expensive. You need the performance, reliability, redundancy, backup plan, data center facility, band width, security infrastructure and a network operations team to manage the system.

That is why it is so interesting to note that many of the service providers are already gone, e.g. XDrive, MediaMax / Streamload, OmniDrive, and recently, HP's Uline, Yahoo's briefcase, etc; With today's business environment, it is expected 80% of online storage or online backup companies cannot survive because they never had a profit model other than offering cheaper or even free service!

A company in such a crowded market space must be able to really compete, but not just by offering cheaper / free service. VOSI.biz is a different company, we focus on product quality and service quality, we are keen to develop better products, more features than any of our competitors. We target premium users and business users who are more willing to pay for our services. We create value and save money for our customers.

Please visit us at: »www.vosi.biz/. We offer a lot more than Online Storage. Our services include Remote File Server, FTP Server, Email Server, Automatic Online Backup and Email Address Book backup services.
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