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Sweden's New Piracy Law Foiled By ISPs
Broadband carrier voluntarily, legally destroys customer info...
(old news - 08:46AM Thursday Apr 16 2009)
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Sweden's new Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive (IPRED) anti-piracy law went into effect last week, the new law giving copyright holders in Sweden the ability to force ISPs in the country to hand over the names and addresses of users who transmit pirated material. But as it turns out, the concept is being foiled not by pirates, but by ISPs. Since preservation of IP addresses is entirely voluntary under the law for ISPs, at least one ISP is deleting consumer IP data so they don't have to hand it over to the entertainment industry:
"It's about the freedom to choose, and the law makes it possible to retain details. We're not acting in breach of IPRED; we're following the law and choosing to destroy the details," Karlung told news agency TT. Bahnhof's actions render the IPRED law entirely ineffective when dealing with file sharers signed up to the company's broadband service. Karlung noted that the law would have no effect whatsoever if other ISPs were to follow suit.
Of course the next step will be for Swedish lawmakers to pass laws requiring ISPs retain data for a set length of time -- something they're already working on.

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r81984 @ 16th Apr 08:59AM:
Sweden's Gov is Stupid

All they did with this new law is protect criminals.

Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues.

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Rob @ 16th Apr 09:01AM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

said by r81984 :

All they did with this new law is protect criminals.

Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues.

I suspect Sweden knew exactly what they were doing when they passed this law. It pleases both sides.
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djweis @ 16th Apr 09:28AM:
Other network abuse?

That's great as long as you don't have any wannabe computer crackers on there or infected machines spewing spam. They might want to rethink how they are handling this.
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TKJunkMail @ 16th Apr 09:35AM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

said by r81984 :

All they did with this new law is protect criminals.

Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues.

Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law.
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Swedish Law makers are in fact currently working on new legislation based on the European Union's data retention directive, which requires ISPs to store electronic data for a minimum of six months.

If the legislation is enacted, Karlung said Bahnhof would continue to stay within the bounds of the law.

"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply

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funchords @ 16th Apr 09:47AM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

said by TKJunkMail :

Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law.
quote:
"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply
Duh. What did you expect him to say? Right and wrong goes out the window at the point of a gun.
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CSU @ 16th Apr 10:11AM:
?

If you take something from criminals (RIAA), are you really committing a crime?
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axus @ 16th Apr 11:04AM:
Data retention laws are expensive and could hurt privacy

Governments and individuals tend to use and abuse data collected, even when they aren't supposed to. I don't want to have some schmo looking through my ISP records to embarrass me in some message board argument. If I did anything embarrassing, of course ;)

Someone has to pay for the data retention, and it's either going to be the consumer through higher fees, or the taxpayer who subsidizes it.
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zod5000 @ 16th Apr 11:21AM:
Do they really need to destroy the information?

Do they really need to destroy the data? Couldn't they just disable the logs that keep track of that data? Thereby never leaving anything to destroy in the first place?
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exocet_cm @ 16th Apr 11:38AM:
Found the saboteur!

At least we know where they put their customer's information. One look in the garbage can and the whole plan is going to be foiled!
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Sammer @ 16th Apr 11:45AM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

said by TKJunkMail :

[Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law.
quote:
Swedish Law makers are in fact currently working on new legislation based on the European Union's data retention directive, which requires ISPs to store electronic data for a minimum of six months.

If the legislation is enacted, Karlung said Bahnhof would continue to stay within the bounds of the law.

"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply


TK Junk Mail, you of all people should be against such regulations and unfunded mandates.
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El Quintron @ 16th Apr 11:47AM:
Swedish ISPs have it right

At least Sweden's ISP are acting in the benefit of their clients.
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cdru @ 16th Apr 12:26PM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

said by r81984 :

All they did with this new law is protect criminals.

Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues.
Right. Because being able to associate an IP address with an individual has been proven bulletproof in their identification of the real criminals. It's also done wonders to stop child pornography. And 411 scams. And counterfeit drugs. And ponzi schemes. And identity theft. And all of the hundreds of other illegal activities done online.

And just to remove all doubt, yes, that was sarcasm in my post above.
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TweakFreak88 @ 16th Apr 01:05PM:
Good choice

Good thing I ordered Bahnhof instead of Wasadata.

100/10 + static IP for $30 = Win
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rawgerz @ 16th Apr 01:45PM:
Re: Good choice

Their graphic design guy must have a sense of humor :D
»www.bahnhof.se/privat/services.e···p?sid=24
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alkemyst @ 16th Apr 02:10PM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

it's not like they can provide a logfile with only criminals in it.

I don't think the government of any country has a right to monitor 'web surfing'
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hurfy @ 16th Apr 02:47PM:
Re: Good choice

Probably, isn't that the guy with the ubercool datacenter in the bunker?

yup, here they are

»www.datacenterknowledge.com/arch···-center/
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Underplay @ 16th Apr 05:18PM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

Criminals? yea right. Copying virtual data is so harmless the word criminal is just a joke. By the way, im a software developer. I support piracy because i support freedom of speech.
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uid1307457 @ 16th Apr 05:26PM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

lol
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uid1307457 @ 16th Apr 05:30PM:
Re: Good choice

said by rawgerz :

Their graphic design guy must have a sense of humor :D
»www.bahnhof.se/privat/services.e···p?sid=24
lol


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r81984 @ 16th Apr 05:40PM:
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid

said by Underplay :

Criminals? yea right. Copying virtual data is so harmless the word criminal is just a joke. By the way, im a software developer. I support piracy because i support freedom of speech.
I guess you did not read what I wrote.
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patcat88 @ 16th Apr 07:26PM:
Re: Other network abuse?

said by djweis :

That's great as long as you don't have any wannabe computer crackers on there or infected machines spewing spam. They might want to rethink how they are handling this.
Accessory to child pornography distribution, your going away for a long long time in maximum security prison you pedophile.
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KrK @ 16th Apr 10:28PM:
If I viewed it as a cost ...

Why should I jack up my manpower and equipment costs keeping detailed logs for an industry that attacks my customers and for which services I will not be paid for?

If I was in that position, and like a well run business, wanted to limit my costs, I wouldn't destroy anything.

I'd just never log most of it in the first place.
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anon @ 17th Apr 05:12AM:
just because..

even at 100mbits all you can eat.. the Swedish isp's STILL make a profit!
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anon @ 27th Apr 01:34AM:
piracy and filesharing

The filthy rich are so powerful they can now enforce laws to protect their 'properties' on a global scale! They now have power to stop people all over the world from sharing with their friends what was legally bought in the first place! Its like saying "why did you share your mango with all these other people?" Its forcing by law everybody to buy a mango from the stalls and not share with others! It is a new global law saying: " Do not plant a mango seed from the mango you bought from the stall!" Now every time you need a mango you must buy from the first person to claim a patent over a particular type of mango!? The world is going bananas!
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jubangy @ 23rd May 02:01AM:
Re: piracy and filesharing

Pretty neat, we try and teach our children to share and then when we get older we get sued for it...how screwed is that!
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