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Time Warner Caps Go from Ugly To Invisible
Carrier booting Austin users without setting clear limits...
(old news - 05:21PM Friday Apr 24 2009)
tags: competition · business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · cable · consumers · caps · RoadRunner Cable
For half a decade Comcast customers complained about being booted from the network for consuming too much bandwidth, though Comcast never stated just how much bandwidth was too much. Only last October did Comcast replace their "invisicap" with the clear 250GB cap (insiders told us overages were considered). The new cap was imposed in part because the FCC and the State of Florida put pressure on Comcast to be more transparent about their network management practices.

Last week, while consumers were busy telling Time Warner Cable they didn't want to be billed by the byte, several cable executives breathlessly praised the company for their transparency. Apparently that transparency only went so far. Though the metered billing trials have been temporarily shelved, Stop the Cap tells us that three users in Austin are suddenly facing service disconnections for not-at-all-clear bandwidth hoggery:
Ryan Howard (says) that his Road Runner service was cut off yesterday without warning. According to Ryan, it took four calls to technical support, two visits to the cable store to try two new cable modems (all to no avail), before someone at Time Warner finally told him to call the company’s “Security and Abuse” center. "I called the number and had to leave a voice mail and about an hour later a Time Warner technician called me back and lectured me for using 44 gigabytes in one week,” Howard wrote."
Like Comcast of old, Time Warner Cable wouldn't tell Ryan what the exact limit was. If this is part of Time Warner Cable's new user education process, we appear to be moving backward, not forward. If you've been a long time Broadband Reports reader, you know that Time Warner Cable has a history of experimenting with caps long before this recent metered billing kerfuffle, as our report from back in 2003 highlights.

Such limits differed from market to market based on regional congestion, but were at least clear where they existed. This letter to a Nebraska Time Warner Cable customer is nearly six years old, but even it referenced a very clear 15GB limit. This new invisicap consumer education process may not sit well with either the FCC or State Attorneys General, who've made it clear that if you're going to limit users, it must be clear.

Time Warner Cable could have simply imposed a 250GB limit to curb network abusers, a path trailblazed by Comcast. Instead they decided to go right for the prize of low caps and high overages. When their nose was slapped by an angry public and populism-surfing politicians, they begrudgingly headed back to the PR drawing board. In the interim they decided it was a good idea to impose nebulous network limits to clarify things for users?

Certainly this all makes sense from within the halls of Time Warner Cable HQ, where the belief is that consumers are just being difficult if they can't see the genius in charging users $2 per gigabyte on the eve of HD video. You can almost hear CEO Glenn Britt and COO Landel Hobbs complaining that last week consumers were angry about clear caps, and this week they're angry about unclear caps. The insufferable insolence of the American consumer.

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Anonymous_ @ 24th Apr 05:24PM:
they have not boot me off yet

April 2009 (Incoming: 205,248 MB / Outgoing: 90,514 MB)

only 50% is p2p got to watch my tv shows in Crisp HD(and other shows download for every one eles in the house)

Rest of it is youtube,web pages,gamming . etc... from the other computers that others use
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k1ll3rdr4g0n @ 24th Apr 05:28PM:
And here we go again....

Do we as humans not learn from our own history?
Or I suppose that is only the stupid people.

*sigh* Anyone care to start calling their state reps? My suggestion is to at least file a complaint with the Attorney General :).
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hayabusa3303 @ 24th Apr 05:28PM:
great

Try to educate the public when charge more after the fact.

Tw is smoking a blunt too big and too fast. Nice buzz there TW?
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jnemesh @ 24th Apr 05:32PM:
TWC customer abuse

As much as I love having broadband internet at home, I would sooner use dial-up than pay one CENT to Time Warner.

If people organized a mass exodus from this company, they would quickly die and hopefully be replaced with someone who has more enlightened policies. I would call on ALL TWC customers to call up and cancel your service, even if only for one month. They will get the message!
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dib22 @ 24th Apr 05:32PM:
sigh

guess it's time to switch away from time warner... what's sad is it was a great service... but the only thing they understand is money so I guess I have to switch.
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sansri88 @ 24th Apr 05:46PM:
can the hole get any deeper?

seriously, this is getting ridiculous. TWC keeps on digging itself an even larger hole.
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Comcast of NJ II: 39 HD channels.

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hayabusa3303 @ 24th Apr 05:47PM:
Re: TWC customer abuse

it would take more than a month to get the message it would take 4 to 6 months before they would SEE the message.
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watice @ 24th Apr 05:51PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by Anonymous_ :

April 2009 (Incoming: 200278 MB / Outgoing: 86134 MB)
same here. guess they leave areas where FIOS is being deployed alone.

March 2009 (Incoming: 97391 MB / Outgoing: 206600 MB)
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Xizer @ 24th Apr 05:57PM:
Lame.

I don't know how reliable a single anonymous story is. Sounds like you guys are a little too ready to jump on the anti-Time Warner bandwagon after this cap nonsense.

How about doing some actual journalism and getting some reliable sources to back this shit up?
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gnat @ 24th Apr 05:58PM:
GrandeCom

If I lived in Austin, I'd be using GrandeCom. I wish I were lucky to live in a place with a serious (similar speed, etc) competitor to the Goliaths of cable internet. Of course I'm in no better position using Comcast in Houston.
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fireflier @ 24th Apr 06:02PM:
Awww, do the TWC execs need a cookie?

I think this is just more TWC pouting. They didn't get what they wanted with caps and overages so they hint that trial markets won't get DOCSIS 3.0. Now it looks like they're saying: "Fine! if you don't want to pay us extra for the bandwidth, we'll just cut you off as we see fit".

I don't particularly have a problem with ISP's pulling the plug on abusers but TWC is being pretty stupid to try the same thing Comcast got their ass chewed off for. Do the execs at TWC even read the news?

This is apparently turrning into a major pissing contest between TWC execs and the public at large.
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Jameson @ 24th Apr 06:07PM:
Re: Lame.

I'm glad, maybe it will show Time Warner that their consumers mean fucking business.
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en102 @ 24th Apr 06:12PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

Is that number from TWC or your router ?
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Dampier @ 24th Apr 06:21PM:
Re: Lame.

said by Xizer :

I don't know how reliable a single anonymous story is. Sounds like you guys are a little too ready to jump on the anti-Time Warner bandwagon after this cap nonsense.

How about doing some actual journalism and getting some reliable sources to back this shit up?
Had you gone to my site (stopthecap), you'd find the individual's entire real name on display. Additionally, I sent him to the local Austin newspaper, where the entire matter got written up as well.

TW denies it's a new policy - they claim they have always suspended accounts for excessive/suspicious use until they "talk" to the customer. But when customers talk to them, they are lectured about their usage before their service gets turned back on. I now have three people in Austin this happened to, all willing to go on the record about it.
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Anonymous_ @ 24th Apr 06:22PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

router why?
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anon @ 24th Apr 06:27PM:
...

As much as I want to jump down TWC's throat, it kinda diminishes the overall goal if this is in fact NOT true.
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Mr Matt @ 24th Apr 06:37PM:
TWC treats customers like mushrooms!

:mad: Yes TWC treats customers like a farmer would treat mushrooms, feeding them bullshit and keeping them in the dark. The best part about not being transparent, is that it allows the ISP to be arbitrary. Give a pass to those downloading the right kind of packets and dump those that are downloading the wrong kind. Set invisible low CAPS for those downloading IPTV and Music and let those using their broadband connection for the kinds of downloads that the ISP blesses alone, regardless of how much data they download.

It would be interesting to find out what kind of data Ryan Howard was downloading. Was it blessed or heretical. Time for the AG to investigate the mushroom farmers.
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en102 @ 24th Apr 06:48PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

Just wondering if TWC had a meter yet :p
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Anonymous_ @ 24th Apr 06:54PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

even if they did i would not use it as i do not check slowrunner email
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Fisamo @ 24th Apr 06:55PM:
Re: Lame.

My question (not having visited your website yet) is what the afflicted individuals in Austin are doing about it. Writing to AG, Congressional reps/senators won't likely get instant action, but it is a start.
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maartena @ 24th Apr 07:04PM:
here we go again....

TWC can't just NOT mess things up, can they. They KNOW that they are on the radar of the press, and they go and boot people off of their network anyways?

Someone over there really needs to get their head out of the sand, and use it for a change.
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"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

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Hpower @ 24th Apr 07:24PM:
Jesus this is getting OLD already

This is lame, and it's getting worse. I am not sure if their exec's have their heads stuck somewhere or if they really are just that careless. lol @ 44 gigs in one week lecture. big deal. I go through about 20-30 gigs anyway in a week with all my family members using the connection. I barely download much anymore since I am busier now with my new job but on the days when I do DL torrents, I'd easily get 40 gigs in a week.

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anon @ 24th Apr 08:08PM:
can not see my bill

maybe a invisibill$$$ will work for them ;) stop the crap people are getting fed up with this shit soon fios will be every where and then you will be inviable and no one will care so stop the shit ;) i like you guys twc but please do not make us go to some other provider greed is killing the usa but no will see that till it is to late

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Voyager2K2 @ 24th Apr 08:24PM:
Here Come FIOS

Verizon never cared about usage, In any TWC overlays, I can tell you TWC is done. I could go on but look at Comcast in the Western Philly suburbs. I get a mailing almost every single day. Cable stick a fork in you. You are done unless you quit being so cheap.
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djrobx @ 24th Apr 08:37PM:
Re: Lame.

My guess is this might just be the result of TWC having installed the metering software for the Austin trial. Since they shelved the CBB trial, they probably figured they can at least look at the data it collects to boot the heavy users off.
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Your funeral. Delivered.

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hottboiinnc @ 24th Apr 09:33PM:
it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC

RoadRunner has a separate abuse clause in their TOS/AUP. It's up to RoadRunner to decide what happens. They reserve the right on BrightHouse and Insight Columbus as well.

People should read their agreement for using the service. Granted its not stated but you get the TOS as soon as you sign up for service, in paper form.

Again TWC is not doing it. RoadRunner is. The ISP side. NOT the cable operator.
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anon @ 24th Apr 10:59PM:
Re: Lame.

They won't do that. That takes time and effort. The only time I have heard of that in Austin is when someone is spamming and they shut them down.
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KrK @ 24th Apr 10:06PM:
TWC's PR spokeshole said the cut-off is for ....

"Security Reasons" and not because of the usage as such; instead they say the usage spiked so they shut down the connection "temporarily" until they can speak with the subscriber and verify that their computer hasn't been hijacked and is being used as a zombie to send viruses or Spam etc.... They claim this is the long-standing TWC position and that it is "normal" to have your account "quarantined" due to "suspicious usage."

I call bullcrap on that....
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

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jjeffeory @ 24th Apr 10:08PM:
Re: it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC

Oh, the OTHER side of the coin... Aha... We all see now.
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innoman @ 24th Apr 10:17PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

The way to fix all of this would probably be to stage a cancel TWC day. If they get enough account cancellations, they will change their tune.
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ifarrell @ 24th Apr 10:23PM:
Within limits.....this month!

Date Download Upload Total
04/09 9.20 GB 11.22 GB 20.41 GB

Haven't been home much this month.
I have used 50-70GB on average in previous months.
No P2P just streaming Audio and renting Movies.
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Eat Me @ 24th Apr 10:25PM:
Someone call the FCC

Comcast got bitch slapped with a nice fine for this. Maybe TW will get the same.
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anon @ 24th Apr 10:43PM:
Re: TWC's PR spokeshole said the cut-off is for ....

Call bullcrap all you want, fact is that is SOP for security and abuse. How many zombie spammers do you think would be on their networks if this wasn't done on a DAILY basis?
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djrobx @ 24th Apr 10:46PM:
Re: here we go again....

Agreed. It's so bad I'm just going to avoid their services altogether where possible, and encourage others to do the same. Their actions as of late really speak to the character of their business.

TW's 3 closest peers, Comcast, AT&T and Verizon, are all at least attempting to be market leaders in their respective fields. TW seems to want to do as little as possible, aside from pioneering a new way to screw over their customers. AT&T is taking a pretty cheap route too, but at least they're doing innovative things with U-verse and creating a solid competitive option for people. If I had invested in TW I'd be looking to sell. This CEO clearly has no vision for the future, and will be completely unprepared for the competitive forces that are coming. It will bite them in the ass.
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Your funeral. Delivered.

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KrK @ 24th Apr 10:54PM:
Re: TWC's PR spokeshole said the cut-off is for ....

I say it's BS to say afterwards that that's all that happened to this user.

It's called damage control, my friend--- which is also SOP for PR.
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anon @ 25th Apr 01:40AM:
this united state or something else

well my question is where we live is not like usa isp companys try to put caps to the user we have to fight for our right have unlimited band we deserve i can believe in other country in latin american or other places dont have this kind of policies we living in a country is behind in the technology and speed i can believe in japan they have 100 mbts home user we only have 20 this the country who invented the internet or im wrong thats why this country have this kind of problems .. because the ceo have his head stick in the #!@#@! or somebody else and just think in make more money to have a better and more bigger bonus
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vinnie97 @ 25th Apr 01:43AM:
Re: can not see my bill

said by duder :

greed is killing the usa but no will see that till it is to late
You mean it's not all Bush's fault? ;)
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anon @ 25th Apr 02:29AM:
Look to Verizon for leadership

I don't understand why Karl B. was praising Comcast for putting a 250GB cap in place.

If anything we should be looking to Verizon as a true champion of internet freedom. FIOS is what the internet was MEANT to be.

- No caps
- Speeds that can keep up with modern computers.
- Modern network ready to go for HD video
- Network ready for the next 20 years of upgrades
- Fair pricing for data plans.

The cable companies are a joke. They implement CAPS, overage charges, etc. They are NOT innovators. They are nothing more than greedy executives who want to bilk every last penny out of Joe consumer.

I have Charter, which suprisingly in my area, never has called me on my usage. I will consume several hundred GB one month and many 40 the next. Just depends what is on TV. They have been pretty reliable, fair in pricing and even though they list a CAP they have never enforced it yet that I have noticed.
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rid0617 @ 25th Apr 02:31AM:
Re: And here we go again....

It took citizen complaints to break up the old AT&T. It took the Republicans to put it back together. It is now time for people to complain again and get these greedy asses broke up or under control
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benjy117 @ 25th Apr 04:09AM:
I dont understand it... but I do money wise

Why would they set such low caps. My isp is a mom n pop shop with a 15gb limit. They don't charge extra they throw users in a slower up/downstream. I complained for two years unit they installed a second DS3 for over 1500 users at 4meg down. It finally happened and it works out great now.

What is hurting them from a user downloading 100 gigs a month? Nothing at all that's what. What does the internet consist of? FIber wires and data lines that go from point A to point B. If the lines are saturated by too many users.. time to put some more FIBER IN DONT YA THINK??? And if the provider won't install new circuits tellem to go to hell!

My company pays AT&T for their circuits hope they wont be charging businesses the same way...
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jwalk @ 25th Apr 09:22AM:
Re: Lame.

i agree. i cant stand the "just cancel service" attitude. hsd users should know what they are using to better choose the level of service they pay for.
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rradina @ 25th Apr 10:01AM:
Re: And here we go again....

Congress allowed it to happen and I think it's been equally controlled by both parties. Check the voting records of your senators and representatives. If they didn't stop it and you voted for either of them, you too contributed to "putting them back together".

If we're going to permit an oligopoly, we need better regulation. Otherwise the government needs to create more competition (tax breaks, cheap financing) to promote wireless. Wireless holds the most promise of rapidly-developed competition since it doesn't require the massive build-out cost and time of a hard-line network. We've been hearing about it for years but it seems to remain as just a bit of static on an otherwise clear monopolistic signal.
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jadebangle @ 25th Apr 10:43AM:
Re: Jesus this is getting OLD already

said by Hpower :

This is lame, and it's getting worse. I am not sure if their exec's have their heads stuck somewhere or if they really are just that careless. lol @ 44 gigs in one week lecture. big deal. I go through about 20-30 gigs anyway in a week with all my family members using the connection. I barely download much anymore since I am busier now with my new job but on the days when I do DL torrents, I'd easily get 40 gigs in a week.

I can do that in 24 hours with 5mbit
I can do that in 12 hours with 10mbit
What is time warner smoking? Are they doing this to minimize usage for all user? To piss of as many ppl as possible therefore shooting themselve in the foot as well?
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Rob @ 25th Apr 10:44AM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by Eat Me :

Comcast got bitch slapped with a nice fine for this. Maybe TW will get the same.
I do not believe Comcast was fined.
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jadebangle @ 25th Apr 10:48AM:
Re: can not see my bill

said by vinnie97 :

said by duder :

greed is killing the usa but no will see that till it is to late
You mean it's not all Bush's fault? ;)
Its barack obama now... Bush was the president for year 2000 to 2008
Do you still live in 2008?

fixed... for accuracy :)
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jadebangle @ 25th Apr 10:53AM:
Re: Within limits.....this month!

said by ifarrell :

Date Download Upload Total
04/09 9.20 GB 11.22 GB 20.41 GB

Haven't been home much this month.
I have used 50-70GB on average in previous months.
No P2P just streaming Audio and renting Movies.
I use on average 44gb at 5mbit per day.
88gb at 10mbit
None of you user no matter how much are always below me LOL
What take most of you to consume in a month only take me 24 hours
Thats because most of you are casual user, not heavy or serious internet user :)
I should be in the book of Guinness record shouldn't I?
Give me 20,30,40,50, etc 100mbit and you will see what kind of a serious user I AM WOOHOOOOOOO
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NOCMan @ 25th Apr 11:42AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

How about quit stealing content.

There are plenty of free legal alternatives now.
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jadebangle @ 25th Apr 11:45AM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by Rob :

said by Eat Me :

Comcast got bitch slapped with a nice fine for this. Maybe TW will get the same.
I do not believe Comcast was fined.
.
I believe it was me to got them to stop interfering with internet user like traffic shaping software
It was pretty obvious that the TCP was injected everytime you try to use p2p like torrent and cause you to lose connection to all user.
The interference is at a minimum when you are downloading but when you are seeding, they hit you with hundreds of forged TCP cause you to not be able to connect to any user
called sandvine which of course will throttle all torrent activity
»torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttl···ossible/
as you know they could have taken a step further and limit all traffic which is what they do now so you will not always get the fastest speed depending on the hour of the day called traffic management
now it will slow you down or cut you off if you consume more bandwidth then other user
prioritizing method
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Rob @ 25th Apr 11:51AM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by jadebangle :

said by Rob :

said by Eat Me :

Comcast got bitch slapped with a nice fine for this. Maybe TW will get the same.
I do not believe Comcast was fined.
.
I believe it was me to got them to stop interfering with internet user like traffic shaping software
It was pretty obvious that the TCP was injected everytime you try to use p2p like torrent and cause you to lose connection to all user.
The interference is at a minimum when you are downloading but when you are seeding, they hit you with hundreds of forged TCP cause you to not be able to connect to any user
called sandvine which of course will throttle all torrent activity
»torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttl···ossible/
as you know they could have taken a step further and limit all traffic which is what they do now so you will not always get the fastest speed depending on the hour of the day called traffic management
now it will slow you down or cut you off if you consume more bandwidth then other user
prioritizing method
I'm pretty sure it was Robb who first discovered it.

Unless you are Robb? »/profile/340409
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MrMaster @ 25th Apr 11:56AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by NOCMan :

How about quit stealing content.

There are plenty of free legal alternatives now.
I have him beat and its all legit. technet subscription, linux distros and hulu.

no disconnection notice hear yet.
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jadebangle @ 25th Apr 11:57AM:
Re: I dont understand it... but I do money wise

said by benjy117 :

Why would they set such low caps. My isp is a mom n pop shop with a 15gb limit. They don't charge extra they throw users in a slower up/downstream. I complained for two years unit they installed a second DS3 for over 1500 users at 4meg down. It finally happened and it works out great now.

What is hurting them from a user downloading 100 gigs a month? Nothing at all that's what. What does the internet consist of? FIber wires and data lines that go from point A to point B. If the lines are saturated by too many users.. time to put some more FIBER IN DONT YA THINK??? And if the provider won't install new circuits tellem to go to hell!

My company pays AT&T for their circuits hope they wont be charging businesses the same way...
I understand perfectly well
users complain about slow speed in road runner forums at dslr is obvious that their circuit are overloaded

you think they would invest in upgrading their network costing them money and in result giving more user bandwidth?
the stock investor is their priority, making more profits and pissing off many of their current user or customer is of no concern to them.

They want to limit your use and charge more if you use more then the limit that they set such as 5gb, 10gb,20gb,30gb,40gb,50gb ain't that a pain

Their customer is treated like a sheep and are milked like a cow... the only age group that are not bothered by this are the elderly or disabled :)

Enjoy your road runner nazi metered connection ^_^
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Bit @ 25th Apr 12:04PM:
The so-called hogs are easy to control

The real capacity crunch in DOCSIS is saturation of the upstream channels, usually though torrents. If they really were concerned with controlling traffic they would simply set a 10GB monthly upload cap. This would slow BT traffic considerably because users would be less willing to share if they're paying to share or would quit at 1:1 or 2:1 share ratio.

So why not do it? Because they have no interest in controlling "traffic"; only interest in controlling competitors, specifically streaming video competitors like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and Netflix who are increasingly cutting into their high margin VOD PPV business.

With overages they aim to price streaming video competitors out of the market. All of a sudden a $5 (or whatever) HD rental from iTunes becomes $9 with TWC overage fees. Who would pay $9 when you can get it from TWC On Demand for $6?

This has been the plan all along...defending those video revenues.
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JammerMan79 @ 25th Apr 12:27PM:
Re: can not see my bill

do you really think that 8 years of blunders can be changed in a couple months (that's pretty much how most of the world, not to mention most americans, thinks)
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jadebangle @ 25th Apr 12:49PM:
Re: can not see my bill

said by JammerMan79 :

do you really think that 8 years of blunders can be changed in a couple months (that's pretty much how most of the world, not to mention most americans, thinks)
funny how some of you cling onto the past so much lol

it is history... get on with the time and forget about the past. so you had a bad day or a bad event... its time to do something about it or don't whine about it.

Its not all bush fault you know... obama will get blamed in the near future as well because many Americans are irresponsible. vote with your dollar? no don't vote at all. don't support any kind of government who are only looking after their own interest, war, oil, and profiteering. war is a racket much like a tennis game or a basketball
all a game using us as pawns in their world conquest, we are all paying for it but we don't have to go along sadly many do out of ignorance. stop paying taxes that fund these type of ppl in power... it isn't even lawful to pay taxes that are unconstitutional and was never ratified by the states.

it is illegal to force many to unconditionally pay taxes so many are fooled into paying heavy taxes and funding this illegal war against many foreign country such as afghanistan, iraq, vietnam, korea, cambodia, bosnia etc.

we know that war is wrong but many american are brainwashed
into fighting a war that benefit only the few at the expense of many. if you need a leader then you complain about bad leadership then you are no more innocent then a drug user. so a dealer want to sell drug and you bought it now you blame the drug dealer because it causing addiction,health problem and financial problem as well
if you cooperated with moron, you are also part of the problem
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rawwhide @ 25th Apr 01:12PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by NOCMan :

How about quit stealing content.

Hmmm. Don't assume he is stealing because he is using P2P. To many legit things to get now and plenty of alternatives that are free. I use P2P for Linux distros and a variety of other legit stuff.

I have argued for years now that streaming media would come into its own and caps were a way to squash this. ISP's are starting to directly compete with old cable TV business models and these cable companies are not happy realizing what if's. What if most people move from current cable television to online television? Cable TV companies and even at&t, which is now deploying u-verse, will lose customers to the internet side as more and more people drop the current TV business model for an internet TV. These companies realize that they control the internet ISP side. You can guess what the answer is to stop these what ifs, yep caps and overage charges. Especially, as streaming media quality increases. As the speeds increase so to will quality which will put more people over or beyond caps. Anyone here imagine watching on demand streamed video content over the internet 15 years ago?
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anon @ 25th Apr 01:22PM:
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alchav @ 25th Apr 02:13PM:
How is this Metered?

Let's see if we can get a clear understanding on how these Caps are Metered. I really don't think it affects the Average Person, just the people that abuse the ISP's and try to pay the cheapest prices and do the most Downloading. If these people want to cancel their service I'm sure TWC will not mind getting rid of these abusers.
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uid1307457 @ 25th Apr 02:25PM:
Re: great

said by hayabusa3303 :

Try to educate the public when charge more after the fact.

Tw is smoking a blunt too big and too fast. Nice buzz there TW?

Click for full size
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Lazlow @ 25th Apr 02:37PM:
Re: How is this Metered?

Alchav

Do you have any idea how small 5GB is? I email my nephew more pictures than that in a month (he likes zoo animals but lives 12hrs from the nearest zoo).

Any GBs downloaded during non peak hours costs TWC (HSI side) absolutely nothing extra (0). They pay for their bandwidth by the peak Mbps not by the GB. Take a look at their 2008 10K their direct costs for HSI were only $146 million while their revenues for HSI were $4.2 BILLION.
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uid1307457 @ 25th Apr 02:50PM:
Re: How is this Metered?

said by Lazlow :

Alchav

Do you have any idea how small 5GB is? I email my nephew more pictures than that in a month (he likes zoo animals but lives 12hrs from the nearest zoo).

Any GBs downloaded during non peak hours costs TWC (HSI side) absolutely nothing extra (0). They pay for their bandwidth by the peak Mbps not by the GB. Take a look at their 2008 10K their direct costs for HSI were only $146 million while their revenues for HSI were $4.2 BILLION.
This puts downloading 25GB in perspective (example, 600 photos are 1GB).

»windowslive.uk.msn.com/skydrive/···12716305

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What is 25GB?
A geek would tell you that it's used when referring to the storage capacity of a hard drive.

25 GB in numbers

Lets put 25 GB in perspective with some numbers. Crunch away!

25 GB is the maximum storage capacity of a Blu-Ray disc.

25 GB is also a blazingly fast broadband connection.

When it arrives, USB 3.0 will be able to transfer 25 GB worth of files in 70 seconds.

Addicted to work or simply chained to your desk, that's a mammoth 1,619,550 documents. I can only imagine the word count.

If we want to have some fun you could hypothetically store roughly 75 episodes of your favourite TV show, which in turn translates to 3420 minutes of downloaded TV. If we're talking seminal real-time drama '24' that's just shy of three seasons, each season being 24 episodes long. Now that's a lot of Jack Bauer.

If ear candy is more your bag you could open your own library with 3000 audiobooks. Or why not instead download 5000 mp3s of the Alexandra Burke single, which would provide you with 17,500 minutes of listening pleasure/displeasure?

Are you a keen photographer with an itchy trigger finger? If so 25GB would provide enough space for 15000 photos. Assuming you take 80 photos at the annual office Christmas party, that's 187.5 years worth of drunken shenanigans.



Netflix instant movie facts

13 SD movies (1.8GB each) per 25GB
8 HD movies (3GB each) per 25GB

I watch close to 80 SD movies/series a month on my laptop. This means I use at least 150GB a month by only using netflix...now add in my online school sessions (Adobe Connect for three hours [you do the GB math there]), email checking, checking dsreports.com, watching hulu, watching some youtube, downloading stuff from itunes, etc (everything I do is legal). I also have another PC that four other people are constantly on.

This makes me glad I have Qwest.

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Lazlow @ 25th Apr 03:00PM:
Re: How is this Metered?

If you have a 10 megapixel camera(like I do) then you only get 100 pictures per GB.
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uid1307457 @ 25th Apr 03:02PM:
Re: How is this Metered?

said by Lazlow :

If you have a 10 megapixel camera(like I do) then you only get 100 pictures per GB.
I know, the math is based off the smallest, best looking jpg.

The .tiffs my work uses would only fit around 50 per 1GB
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hayabusa3303 @ 25th Apr 04:25PM:
Re: great

Great find there
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jadebangle @ 25th Apr 05:11PM:
Its a utility! We must charge by the byte or the internet die...

I have a better marketing strategy

Let's use the utility analogy

We must conserve bandwidth otherwise it will run out in the near future

Let's educate the public about the ignorant of bandwdith limits :)

Like water, if you use as much as you can the cable provider will run out of bandwidth that even TV will cease to function as well

Let's educate the public about how little they know about bandwidth :D

Time Warner just isn't good at convincing the public that bandwidth is limited! oh the pain of poor communication skills! They call it misunderstanding! I call it lack of intelligence :)
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JammerMan79 @ 25th Apr 05:43PM:
Re: can not see my bill

our past shapes our future... it's up to us to decide if we want to use the present to shape it as well.
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Nerdtalker @ 25th Apr 05:45PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by NOCMan :

How about quit stealing content.

There are plenty of free legal alternatives now.
Please don't start with that nonsense, I implore you.

High bandwidth use != infringing use. It's that simple.
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Anonymous_ @ 25th Apr 05:57PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by Nerdtalker :

said by NOCMan :

How about quit stealing content.

There are plenty of free legal alternatives now.
Please don't start with that nonsense, I implore you.

High bandwidth use != infringing use. It's that simple.
the only option for "OTA TV" is internet or
TW rip off 50$ or more for basic cable is a rip off as most of the channels they get for free

200+GB is normal internet useage
as there is 6 computers

about 40GB permonth percomputer = 200GB

my brother and my Cousin game that they play uses 3mbps Total :o
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anon @ 25th Apr 06:29PM:
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anon @ 25th Apr 06:47PM:
Re: And here we go again....

said by rid0617 :

It took citizen complaints to break up the old AT&T. It took the Republicans to put it back together. It is now time for people to complain again and get these greedy asses broke up or under control
Yeah, that arch-Republican Bill Clinton, who signed the '96 telco bill. That neocon bastard!
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funchords @ 25th Apr 07:56PM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by Eat Me :

Comcast got bitch slapped with a nice fine for this. Maybe TW will get the same.
$150K ... "wrist slapped" (at most) :)
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funchords @ 25th Apr 08:08PM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

Comcast settled with the Florida Attorney General and paid $150K in the settlement. Basically, this paid for the cost of the investigation. This was the same action that brought along the designation of 250 GB as "excessive use."
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Rob @ 25th Apr 08:30PM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by funchords :

Comcast settled with the Florida Attorney General and paid $150K in the settlement. Basically, this paid for the cost of the investigation. This was the same action that brought along the designation of 250 GB as "excessive use."
Oh ok.

/me holds back laughter.

:D
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pandora @ 26th Apr 01:56AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by Anonymous_ :

only 50% is p2p got to watch my tv shows in Crisp HD(and other shows download for every one eles in the house)
I run 9 PC's in my home, 2 DVR's, we game, watch youtube, watch internet content legally downloaded on to our DVR's from DirecTV and we use about 40GB per month.

The problem with your consumption, is it isn't "normal". Most homes download a few GB per month. The use my family gets from Comcast is much higher than normal, what you are doing is significantly higher network use.

When a bunch of neighbors have significant above "normal" use the provider must either limit access (put on caps) or build infrastructure (increase costs to customers beyond what would be justified for a "normal" residential user).

Torrent HD content may be nice (I've never used torrent so have no idea), however it likely isn't legally obtained.

Why should your neighbors suffer lower internet performance or higher bills to permit your probable theft of copyrighted video programs?
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sturmvogel @ 26th Apr 01:57AM:
Re: can not see my bill

said by JammerMan79 :

do you really think that 8 years of blunders can be changed in a couple months (that's pretty much how most of the world, not to mention most americans, thinks)
That is the Republican line now. They plundered out country for EIGHT years and now it is Obama's fault for not fixing it within 100 days.

Want to fix it ? Prosecute the criminals responsible.
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KrK @ 26th Apr 02:32AM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by funchords :

$150K ... "wrist slapped" (at most) :)
Yeah....

"You are like the buzzing of flies, to Vigo!"

:D
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SanDiegoLV @ 26th Apr 02:47AM:
Re: TWC's PR spokeshole said the cut-off is for ....

I ditto the BS call.

It should **NOT** be SOP to cutoff a connection simply because it is "unusual" If that were true, then connections that used significantly LESS then normal would also be cutoff!!!

As a network designer & adminitrator, good SOP would be to (a) more closely look at traffic to see if spam or zombie traffic and (b) contact owner of account to walk thru a check of computer.

I wonder what happens to 911-VoIP if network connection is suspended?
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SuperWISP @ 26th Apr 11:02AM:
In other words, "freedom" means "service below cost"

Bandwidth costs money -- even for providers that own "Tier 1" backbones. What's more, Verizon's Terms of Service do include restrictions on what can be done with the service. And there are substantial caps and overage charges on its wireless data services.
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Sammer @ 26th Apr 11:31AM:
Re: TWC customer abuse

Perhaps TWC really is that clueless.
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jadebangle @ 26th Apr 11:47AM:
Re: TWC customer abuse

said by Sammer :

Perhaps TWC really is that clueless.
i always hated tw for their crappy upload
their network sucks
their service sucks
they are owned by the movie industry
they are against using broadband for television purpose
time warner are partner with mpaa and its against consumer rights to share video
they are anticonsumer, antichoice and antifreedom
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anon @ 26th Apr 07:18PM:
Re: In other words, "freedom" means "service below cost"

so you want a plan with no terms?

Wireless is a whole different medium and is not what is being discssed.
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jadebangle @ 26th Apr 12:22PM:
Re: Lame.

said by Jameson :

I'm glad, maybe it will show Time Warner that their consumers mean fucking business.
You're not the only one who would not care if time warner go bankrupt like charter cable...
Such a crappy isp like this in business and able to stay in business is beyond my understanding of supply, demand and need. Why don't we kick them out of business and let others like surewest, and lafeyette fiber optic broadband do business with consumer instead? why tolerate their lies and bs that's just like rubbing salt in a wound and call it pain control.
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jadebangle @ 26th Apr 12:26PM:
Re: TWC customer abuse

said by jnemesh :

As much as I love having broadband internet at home, I would sooner use dial-up than pay one CENT to Time Warner.

If people organized a mass exodus from this company, they would quickly die and hopefully be replaced with someone who has more enlightened policies. I would call on ALL TWC customers to call up and cancel your service, even if only for one month. They will get the message!
Well you know those idiotic^_^ executive at time warner right? They do not understand consumer who have limited budget and its not about usage its about how much they are able to pay a month without having to go broke or have less to spend.
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Lazlow @ 26th Apr 04:02PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

Pandora

ISPs do not pay by the GB they pay by peak Mbps. So ANY amount of GB download during non peak hours costs the ISP absolutely nothing (0) extra. Both the transit costs and the hardware costs are solely determined by peak Mbps.

Downloading EXCLUSIVELY between 11pm and 8am a 5Mbps customer can download over 500GB a month without slowing down his neighbors or costing the ISP anything extra. This is why the monthly GB cap does not address the issues of ISP costs or congestion. There are methods to control peak hour congestion (costs). One of these is to use proticol agnostic throttling during peak hours, Comcast now uses this during peak hours. The reason cable companies are pushing caps so hard is to protect their video product from the huge competition that is rapidly growing on the internet.
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espaeth @ 26th Apr 04:26PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by Lazlow :

Downloading EXCLUSIVELY between 11pm and 8am a 5Mbps customer can download over 500GB a month without slowing down his neighbors or costing the ISP anything extra. This is why the monthly GB cap does not address the issues of ISP costs or congestion.
While the logic here is true, most people use their bandwidth during peak times... that's why they're called peak times.

The charge that is often made here is that bandwidth restrictions (either though caps or metered billing) is in direct response to demand caused by streaming video.

So either:

1) Everyone here is wrong and streaming video is not the concern, and capacity can be managed by pushing heavy transfers outside of peak hours.

or

2) The concern really is due to massively concurrent streaming video (ie, all concentrated in peak evening viewing times), and the per-GB numbers are based around the costs to expand the capacity of the pipe to meet peak demand.
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espaeth @ 26th Apr 04:42PM:
Re: How is this Metered?

said by uid1307457 :

Netflix instant movie facts

13 SD movies (1.8GB each) per 25GB
8 HD movies (3GB each) per 25GB

I watch close to 80 SD movies/series a month on my laptop. This means I use at least 150GB a month by only using netflix...now add in my online school sessions (Adobe Connect for three hours [you do the GB math there]), email checking, checking dsreports.com, watching hulu, watching some youtube, downloading stuff from itunes, etc (everything I do is legal).
168 hours in a week, 672 hours in a month.

Assuming a low 6 hours of sleep per night, that leaves 504 waking hours in the month.

Assuming an average duration of 80 minutes for Netflix content * 80 viewing session = 6400 minutes or almost 107 hours.

So you're saying you spend over 21% of your waking hours just watching Netflix content on your laptop?
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pandora @ 26th Apr 04:50PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

It would make sense for caps to be instituted to peak times only. Excessive downloading during peak hours either costs more for infrastructure (increased rates) or results in greater congestion (lower performance).

People who regularly use a lot of bandwidth during peak hours are harming their neighbors IMO.

The case I responded to was a poster who admitted to using torrents to download HD video programs. Generally this is copyrighted material downloaded illegally. The usage was very high. He tried to explain it by claiming he had a lot of PC's.

I have a lot more PC's on my LAN, probably more game consoles, and also currently 6 VOIP accounts and use far less than half his bandwidth. I was pointing out that his use is excessive, despite his justification.

My provider (Comcast) has provided a definition of excessive as 250GB per month, which I think is very fair.
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Lazlow @ 26th Apr 06:46PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

espaeth

That the majority of customers use their bandwidth during peak hours, I would agree with. However, if you talk to the majority of high bandwidth users(the so called "bandwidth hogs") they are specifically avoiding peak traffic hours. They do this for two main reasons. First with all the congestion during peak hours they really do not get much downloaded (GB/hr) during those hours. Second ISPs have (for years) watched who is causing the problem(congestion) during peak hours on the channel and tend to go after those people first. Essentially if you do not cause a problem for us(the ISP) we will leave you alone. So the monthly caps do not address the congestion issue.

As far as streaming goes: the majority (at least today) of high bandwidth users are also usually on the high end of tech savvy. Virtually all streaming video can be saved to disk(if you are skilled enough). So for the tech savvy there is no need to stream during peak hours. When the less tech savvy users (non "bandwidth hogs") start streaming they will be increasing the load on the channel. As pandora pointed out, they are still below the caps. This means that peak Mbps will go up significantly without breaking the caps and you still need to upgrade the system to handle the load. Again it is usually not the few(1%) "bandwidth hogs" which are downloading a lot during non peak hours that are causing the congestion. It is the majority (85%?) all downloading a little bit (relative) all at the same time (peak hours) that causes the congestion.

Again I would point you to TWC's 10K, they are spending $146 million (for HSI hardware, bandwidth, etc) for revenues from HSI of $4.2 BILLION.
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uid1307457 @ 26th Apr 07:49PM:
Re: How is this Metered?

said by espaeth :

said by uid1307457 :

Netflix instant movie facts

13 SD movies (1.8GB each) per 25GB
8 HD movies (3GB each) per 25GB

I watch close to 80 SD movies/series a month on my laptop. This means I use at least 150GB a month by only using netflix...now add in my online school sessions (Adobe Connect for three hours [you do the GB math there]), email checking, checking dsreports.com, watching hulu, watching some youtube, downloading stuff from itunes, etc (everything I do is legal).
168 hours in a week, 672 hours in a month.

Assuming a low 6 hours of sleep per night, that leaves 504 waking hours in the month.

Assuming an average duration of 80 minutes for Netflix content * 80 viewing session = 6400 minutes or almost 107 hours.

So you're saying you spend over 21% of your waking hours just watching Netflix content on your laptop?
yep
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pandora @ 26th Apr 07:58PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

As I said, bandwidth consumption when there is no contention has no cost. I agree with that. However, consumption during peak periods costs.

I'd be very supportive of a cap during peak times only.
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Lazlow @ 26th Apr 08:25PM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

Pandora

There is a problem with using caps at all. When (and NOT if) enough people are streaming and you try to have set peak hours (for the cap), a large number of people will "discover" how to save to disk rather than live streaming. This will make peak hours become a moving target(4-10 this month, 10-2 next month, ect). This is why I think the only way out(other than just keeping up with system upgrades) is to use a congestion based, proticol agnostic, throttle (when the channel is congested everybody gets throttled back to their fair share). That way if there is congestion everybody gets throttled back and when there is not congestion you can run full steam. The risk with the throttle is that they will overuse it and not upgrade the system to keep up with traffic loads.

The other thing is to look at the numbers. The increased Mbps is NOT costing them all that much money (hardware or transit). Again, I will point to the 10K numbers, $146 million in costs(transit and hardware) for $4.2 BILLION in revenues. The costs of the extra Mbps is really a drop in the bucket. While labor is not included in those numbers, the increase in labor costs (excluding initial installation) will be minimal(the customer/labor ratio will remain essentially constant). It is a pretty safe bet that they will spend far more on PR expenses to recover from this mess, than the increase in labor would have been to manage the the extra equipment.
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anon @ 26th Apr 10:09PM:
Re: it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC

RoadRunner is not a separate company from TWC, and hasn't been for several years now. RoadRunner is the product name for TWC's Internet service only, and has been for at least 5 to 6 years at this point.
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sturmvogel @ 26th Apr 10:34PM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by Rob :

said by funchords :

Comcast settled with the Florida Attorney General and paid $150K in the settlement. Basically, this paid for the cost of the investigation. This was the same action that brought along the designation of 250 GB as "excessive use."
Oh ok.

/me holds back laughter.

:D
That is how it starts. It is good that the CC supporters find it funny, so probably would they consider Gandhi's words.
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anon @ 27th Apr 08:58AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

Let me get this straight, We pay 42.95 if bundled or 52.95 per month for HIGH SPEED INTERNET. On Average 5 tp 12MB Service. There has to be a legit reason for giving this kind of speed to the paying public. So why cap it if you are paying for it. Broadband internet is extremely cheap. Get up off your high horse. Watching 2 hours of streaming video per day would put you way over cap according to them. Get a life and some common since you twit, Or are you working for them.
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sturmvogel @ 26th Apr 10:37PM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by funchords :

Comcast settled with the Florida Attorney General and paid $150K in the settlement. Basically, this paid for the cost of the investigation. This was the same action that brought along the designation of 250 GB as "excessive use."
I can only welcome TW deploying what I believe to be the same class abusive techniques. As soon as the other monopolies would implement the same customer unfriendly deceptive strategies, would be a good time for the government to start an investigation regarding collusion and monopolistic practices that hopefully would have these giants broken into smaller, competitive pieces, the way it should be.
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Rob @ 26th Apr 11:02PM:
Re: Someone call the FCC

said by sturmvogel :

said by Rob :

said by funchords :

Comcast settled with the Florida Attorney General and paid $150K in the settlement. Basically, this paid for the cost of the investigation. This was the same action that brought along the designation of 250 GB as "excessive use."
Oh ok.

/me holds back laughter.

:D
That is how it starts. It is good that the CC supporters find it funny, so probably would they consider Gandhi's words.
It's funny because it's a joke. Companies in the U.S. rather break the laws, and pay stupid fines, than follow the laws, and lose 5-10x as much as the fine would have been.
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pandora @ 27th Apr 01:11AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

A congestion protocol is necessary when there is contention. At the same time, users who take 10 to 100 times more bandwidth than average are likely causing congestion.
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Lazlow @ 27th Apr 01:17AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

That is just it. Those heavy users are usually very tech savvy and understand how things work. So they limit (for the most part) their downloading to off peak hours, which causes zero (0) congestion.

I am not sure what you mean by:

"A congestion protocol is necessary when there is contention."
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pandora @ 27th Apr 01:33AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

Whenever there is congestion, a network will have to manage it. The solution Comcast came up with to derate those who are hogging bandwidth is a good one.

The supposedly highest tech hundred plus gigabyte users are most likely young males downloading pirated content over torrents. Not exactly the cream of the crop IMO. If they way, a commercial account could be appropriate.
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Lazlow @ 27th Apr 02:41AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

I agree that Comcast's proticol agnostic throttle during peak hours is a great idea. It actually addresses the problem of congestion. The are also (unofficially) handling the cap in smart manner. Those that exceed the 250GB cap and are causing congestion problems are generally the ones being kick out. Those exceeding the 250GB cap but are not causing congestion problems are generally being ignored(in many cases those in this second group are download MUCH more than those in the first group).

You should also be careful about the male/female thing. The person that I know with the largest library(by a HUGE factor) is female and she is not alone. But yes, those that are tech savvy are more likely (particularly when young) to be involved in these kinds of activities. It is usually more about meeting the challenge (king of the hill, fastest, the first one there, etc) than the actual content. Since they are not a business and what they are doing is not costing the ISP anything extra, I do not think a commercial account is necessary.
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ropeguru @ 27th Apr 08:59AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

said by pandora :

A congestion protocol is necessary when there is contention. At the same time, users who take 10 to 100 times more bandwidth than average are likely causing congestion.
You people still confuse bandwidth with bytes downloaded. Just tell me where I can get 160Mbps to 1600Mbps more than my neighbor next door? My max bandwidth without powerboost on Comcast ir 16Mbps. There is no way that I can use 10 or 100 times more.

These operators need to plan for peak time and incorporate the cost into SLIGHTLY higher rates for everyone. If they manage for peak usage on their internet connections properly, then there will be no extra charge when getting into that 90% or 95% peak.

This low cap and per GB billing is nothing more then a cash grab.
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ropeguru @ 27th Apr 09:03AM:
Re: can not see my bill

said by JammerMan79 :

our past shapes our future... it's up to us to decide if we want to use the present to shape it as well.
How about all those democrats that controlled the house and senate while Bush was still president? They had the power to stop him and didn't/ So it is as much their fault as it is Bush's.
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ropeguru @ 27th Apr 09:04AM:
Re: can not see my bill

said by sturmvogel :

said by JammerMan79 :

do you really think that 8 years of blunders can be changed in a couple months (that's pretty much how most of the world, not to mention most americans, thinks)
That is the Republican line now. They plundered out country for EIGHT years and now it is Obama's fault for not fixing it within 100 days.

Want to fix it ? Prosecute the criminals responsible.
Which would be all politicians....
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Sodoshi @ 27th Apr 01:07PM:
Why no alternatives?

I have always wondered, why they obsess with monthly bandwidth. Something such as if you reach a cap on a day, say 10GB at full speed, just reduce the upload/download speeds to low DSL speeds until it resets the next day/week/month.

That would seem to reduce the amount "hogged", while still maintaining enough service for basic internet uses (browsing, email, IRC, gaming, SD video, what have you).

Except that this would be sensible and useful. Oh well...
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sivran @ 27th Apr 01:57PM:
Re: it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC

Last cable ISP I signed up for was Excite@Home...
Never signed up for AT&T, Comcast, or TWC.
They just bought me.

....I want Comcast back. Or @Home. Definitely.
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hottboiinnc @ 27th Apr 03:44PM:
Re: it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC

RoadRunner is NOT owned by TWC. They're owned by RoadRunner Holdings. They're only the ISP and TW owns a stake in them.

You need to go read about them and see what is stamped on their website.
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anon @ 27th Apr 07:51PM:
Re: can not see my bill

i do not give a rats ass about who did what stop fucking with internet that's what i care about dem repu they are all full of shit and if you don't see that then that's your deal ok who did what who cares don't fuck the internet

have a nice day :D :D :D
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xdeadhead @ 28th Apr 12:54AM:
Re: they have not boot me off yet

i loves my fios. and im not "stealing" anything.
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