Will Canada Pass Network Neutrality Rules Too? - CRTC will face mounting pressure after FCC's move
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Will Canada Pass Network Neutrality Rules Too?
CRTC will face mounting pressure after FCC's move
10:21AM Friday Sep 25 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: fcc · business · world · net-neutrality · Bell Sympatico · TekSavvy Solutions Inc.
A few years ago, you'd be hard pressed to find a Canadian who knew what network neutrality was, despite the fact we've been debating about the idea here in the States since around 2005. The only reason Canadians hadn't been made aware of the issue is they weren't being shown clear examples of potential violations, like when AT&T CEO "Big Ed" Whitacre began mumbling about "free rides," Clearwire blocked VoIP traffic completely on their network, or Comcast began throttling upstream P2P services for all users regardless of congestion.

But everything in Canada changed last year, when Bell Canada decided to start throttling the traffic of wholesale competitors without telling them in order to prevent them from offering broadband service that was superior to Bell's own throttled DSL services. With the announcement by the FCC that they're beefing up network neutrality rules, Canadian regulatory agency the CRTC is facing increased pressure to create rules for Canadians as well:
"The kinds of principles that the FCC is now looking to put into rules are precisely what the CRTC heard from many groups this past summer," said Michael Geist, a University of Ottawa professor who holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law. "The kinds of concerns that Canadians have been expressing have clearly been taken to heart by the FCC.
Of course with the CRTC stocked with former Bell and Rogers executives, they've consistently ruled against small business and consumer interests -- so the likelihood of any real rules seems slim for now. But they will be watching their neighbors to the south with great interest if it means increased political pressure. So will the independent ISPs and consumers who've been pushing for reform (and in some instances well, complete obliteration) at the CRTC.

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anon @ 25th Sep 09:41AM:
Will Canada Pass Network Neutrality Rules Too?

Are you kidding me? Ask any Canadian and the response will be 100 percent certain absolutely NO!.
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bohn @ 25th Sep 09:44AM:
Will Canada Pass Network Neutrality Rules Too?

I'm quite certain most people responding will face reality and answer a resounding no. Yes, it's sad but nothing will change until these monopolies and oligopolies are broken up.
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Tristan @ 25th Sep 09:45AM:
Disband the CRTC!

There is growing opposition to the existence of the CRTC, as they have proven time and time again that they are incapable of making the necessary decisions that Canadians want, or that will benefit Canadians.

As it stands, CRTC opposition is now felt by entire families and groups of friends. It used to be just a few scattered individuals.

The CRTC is now a popular water-cooler discussion.

Canadians aren't stupid, and we realize politicians and groups such as the CRTC think we are stupid.

The CRTC haven't seen anything yet. If they don't solve this mess in a way that is satisfactory to Canadians, they will see backlash like no other.
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SnakeSkin @ 25th Sep 09:47AM:
Will Canada Pass Network Neutrality Rules Too?

Without a shadow of doubt no.
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mlerner @ 25th Sep 09:48AM:
Re: Will Canada Pass Network Neutrality Rules Too?

The CRTC already said they will be releasing guidelines for the NN hearings, no rulings or policies.
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Stojko @ 25th Sep 09:54AM:
Re: Will Canada Pass Network Neutrality Rules Too?

said by bohn :

I'm quite certain most people responding will face reality and answer a resounding no. Yes, it's sad but nothing will change until these monopolies and oligopolies are broken up.
Unfortunately, I have to agree...
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freejazz_RdJ @ 25th Sep 10:48AM:
Fact checking

Karl, if you did a bit of research, you'd note that 2 of 13 commissioners have telecom/cable work experience, with 1 person spending 2 decades at Rogers/Bell and the other coming from Saktel, a telco owned by and for the people of Saskatchewan.

What the CRTC has done will hurt consumers as it changes the price plans and heaver users will be gouged, so that was wrong. But blaming it on the CRTC being stocked with former Bell/Rogers execs is silly, there's only 1 of 13!

EDIT: these types of sensational accusation are all the same... Obama birthers and corporate conspiracy theorists have a lot in common.
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alwzn4vr @ 25th Sep 11:44AM:
Re: Fact checking

Regardless of the number of ex execs, the CRTC has made some glaring blunders recently.

1. Allowing the throttling of wholesale customers. Those customers are purchasing a layer 2 circuit to the end user but are treated as white label resellers.
2. Telling Bell to make higher speeds available to 3rd parties and then letting Bell turn it around into a "no we won't and by the way we're implementing UBB for wholesalers on top of throttling"

These types of decisions scream gross incompetence or totally corrupt. You pick.
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chronoss2009 @ 25th Sep 11:48AM:
PuH LEASE

you got to be kidding me
you think the big business morons would go for YOUR rights and make less money jsut to be nice?
HEY how about we form the
C.I.U.P
Canadian Internet Users Party
unlike the silly pirate party who didn't even want to be FOR file sharing ( thats right i had to argue for it there LOL )
Net Neutrality , easing of copyright and a host of other CONSUMER based issues could be done.

HECK just make it a lobby group if you'd like. that angle might get support from CAIP like members and other businesses that dwell on serving canadians that are being gouged and ripped off by the big media companies.
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freejazz_RdJ @ 25th Sep 12:10PM:
Re: Fact checking

They suck at delivering their product, true. Their decisions aren't based on being best for the consumer and they protect Canadian businesses by preventing foreign competition.

I just think it's silly to say "this is happening because they're all ex telco execs". It's trying to de-legitimatize the CRTC based on a false accusation. It's just as insane and irrelevant as the accusations that Obama isn't American or that his programs are disguised reparations. It's useless slander.
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cpsycho @ 25th Sep 01:28PM:
Governments need to change

The only possibility and I mean just that. A possibility that something might get passed if the conservatives leave office. The PC's would never force more regulation its not their MO. Even if the CRTC grew a brain and stopped taking kickbacks from bell and rogers, passed new regulation. The PC government would step in and stop it.

I live in a Conservative riding and I have sent letters, met with the assistant to David Tilson and hand delivered letters. The MP does not care about what I think about, its a "nod" a "yup" and "uhum". Just so I leave and quit bugging. Since this all started from the throttling hearings I have been trying to get David Tislon to act, he has not.

Even if the Liberals got in, I don't think there will be much of a change. Marc Garneau was the only liberal to speak up, Tony Clement invited him to the Digital Eco. Conf. and he did not go. At the Conferance, they all patted them selfs on the back said everything was great and we are a world leader. Micheal Geist and his possy were the only ones that cared. But his caring was copyright.

So there you have it in a nutshell. The only way we would have seen anything done was the coalition days, when the NDP would have had a few seats with the liberals.
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DabberDan @ 25th Sep 01:49PM:
Re: Fact checking

False accusation?

I thought it was proven, using hard facts that are publicly available, that the CRTC was indeed ex-telco execs?

I wish I knew where that TSI thread was...
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iotastorm @ 25th Sep 02:19PM:
Free Rides

hmm... seem to remember in the mid-90's a back-bone CEO (uunet possibly?) started complaining about free riders on his network/back-bone and was going to charge for cross-over traffic to any provider with a cross-over to his network.
On the alleged day to start charging the "free-riders" on his backbone,the 'free-riding' network providers said 'ok have fun with that thought - we're not paying you, you access our networks the same way"- major network connections were pulled, leaving the back-bone as its own little internet.
I think it lasted for 48 hours. The back-bone CEO, after back-pedalling,'oh i was only PROPOSING that...' and a few apologies for the mis-understanding about charges from him, the cross-connections were restored and it hasn't been mentioned again until now.
anyone else remember that?, I'll have to look up the article, think it was from BoardWatch Magazine.
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Gruesome @ 25th Sep 02:36PM:
Nope`

Having listened to the CRTC hearings as much as possible I don't see any significant net Neutrality rules in the near future
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anon @ 25th Sep 03:43PM:
Re: Fact checking

You missed the one who was on the board of directors of a cable lobbying group.

Skimming commissioner bios on the CRTC website is rather superficial fact checking.
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stolen @ 25th Sep 04:51PM:
Re: Free Rides

»online.wsj.com/article/SB8634490···ooglewsj

»partners.nytimes.com/library/cyb···net.html

»news.cnet.com/UUNet,-Whole-Earth···215.html
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anon @ 27th Sep 08:40AM:
Who is surprised?

Yet another example of Canada's benevolent dictatorship in action. People that think Canadians are free should think again!!!
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GyroCaptain @ 1st Oct 05:38PM:
Re: Free Rides

Wow..how times have changed. I didn't hear about any of this back in 97. It does make me wonder where we will be in 30 years. Each sub-group of friends in their own darknets, that completely do away with the need for onramps to the internet (ISPs)? One can only hope.
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